Talk:Third Great Awakening

THIRD Great Awakening?

The title "Third Great Awakening" is really subjective. There is definite consensus on the first two, but consensus seems to evaporate after that. I do not mean to imply that there were not further true revivals (e.g., the Azusa Street Revival or the Jesus Movement), but the so-called third and fourth nationwide great awakenings may be more a matter of opinion and conjecture. I think this article would be improved by a caveat stating that the concept of further Great Awakenings is somewhat controversial. Subitopiano (talk) 03:06, 14 December 2009 (UTC)

I agree. The title is thrown around often -- even today -- to describe just about any Christian movement following the Second Awakening. Also, the information in this article is sketchy, e.g. "Nazarene movements" in addition to Holiness movement (hint: They're one in the same). 209.55.81.32 (talk) 06:53, 28 December 2010 (UTC)

I too agree. Religion in America by Corrigan, The Religious History of America by Gaustad, The Story of Christianity by Gonzalez all studiously avoid the term. The closest mention of it is in A History of Christianity in the United States and Canada by Noll pp. 287-288 - who terms the 1857-1858 revival the "businessman's awakening." Timothy Paul Jones in his Christian History Made Easy devotes half a page to what he calls "a Third Great Awakening." BBeagle (talk) 00:11, 31 March 2019 (UTC)

21st century scholars and popular historians (like Paul Hohnson) use the term frequently. (1) Great awakenings: Popular religion and popular culture (2013) by F Hoffmann, M Fishwick, BB Ramirez: "The third Great Awakening made urban revivalism a part of popular culture." (2) Hampel, Walter. "Prayer revivals and the third great awakening." Evangelical Review of Theology 31.1 (2007); (3) Rice, Cynthia A. "The First American Great Awakening" International Congregational Journal 9.2 (2010). states: " The Third Great Awakening, also referred to as the Missionary Awakening, was a period in American history from the last decades of the 19th century through the early decades of the 20th century...." (4) Johnson, Paul. "The almost-chosen people." First Things 164 (2006): 17. "The third Great Awakening (1875 to 1914) produced that great, unsuccessful, and tragic experiment in social engineering Prohibition.... " (5) Marmot, Michael. "Ganges, Cambridge, Chicago, Edinburgh, Cambridge... Values and public health." European journal of epidemiology 20.10 (2005): 809-812. " The third great awakening shifted from a concern with opportunity to argue for equality of social and economic conditions....As a result there was remarkable progress in reducing social differences in health." (6) Rowe, David L. "From Colporteurs to Cooperative Program: A Century of Southern Baptist Stewardship and the Rise of the Southern Baptist Convention." Baptist History and Heritage 41.2 (2006):. states: "the Third Great Awakening, lifted spirits following the end of reconstruction in the South and filled once-empty pews.... (7) Klein, Daniel B., and Ryan Daza. "Robert W. Fogel: Ideological Profiles of the Economics Laureates." Econ Journal Watch 10.3 (2013): 316-325. states: " In the third great awakening... emphasis shifted from personal to social sin, accompanied by a shift to a more secular interpretation of the Bible." (8) Mostert, Johan. "The Social Justice Debates in Psychology and Theology" Journal of Psychology & Christianity 33.2 (2014). states: "Third Great Awakening ushered in a new era of Evangelicalism that maintained the emphasis on personal transformation...." Rjensen (talk) 03:41, 31 March 2019 (UTC)

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especially the battles against child labor, compulsory elementary education and the protection of women from exploitation in factories.

That sentence may need revision, unless they were against both child labor and education.

And please don't let anyone put any claims about what Darwin said on his deathbed, unless they're extremely well-sourced. There's a popular urban legend claiming he repented on his deathbed, but it's pretty well debunked. 75.36.0.25 22:09, 16 September 2006 (UTC)

I dont understand this awakening because it seems to have produced stronger christians and also stronger non-believers such as athiests and communists. How this came to be doesnt make any sense to me but I guess you would just have had to have been living in that time to get it. I myself am a Christian and i must put in that darwin wished he had never published his work on his deathbed- i wonder what would have happend if people knew that. Certainly the 3rd Great Awakening is mostly on his head and maybe it was his guilt that made him say that. [Unsigned.]

There seems to be some confusion between this Third Great Awakening and the Social Gospel movement (which see) although this is mentioned in the article. BBeagle (talk) 00:09, 31 March 2019 (UTC)

cleanup

This article spends a great deal of time talking about social change during this period of American history, but fails to really address the third great awakening itself more than a stub would. Thus, it needs a great deal of work. --Zantastik 08:01, 15 May 2005 (UTC)

Currently, except for the opening paragraph and the Strauss & Howe stuff at the end, the article is heavy on high-level description and light on specific historical facts. What are some distinctive events of the Third Great Awakening (things that happened on a specific day), specifically what artistic changes happened, specifically what conflicting ideas were debated and by whom, specifically what writers wrote what, specifically what economic events and trends occurred and when? The article doesn't have to be a dry list of facts, but it can be a lot more in focus than it is now. --Ben Kovitz 16:16, 22 Jun 2005 (UTC)

I have hardly ever heard of a third great awakening. It was certainly not a time of revival as we see in the first and second great awakenings in America. It is most importantly the rise of Secularism, Darwinism, and Dispensationalism. Along with these things is the rise of the temperance/prohibition movement lead largely by Baptists. Social activism grew in this period for sure but could this be attributed to other changes that quickened the pace of society. Telegraphs, railroads, and industrialization in general. Rather than a religious revival/awakening?. Could some of this be seen as a social reaction to the late victorian period with older puritan values trying to reassert themselves in a changing world. This is far different than something religiously awakened. [Unsigned.]

People who are unaware of the 3rd Great Awakening should read Ahlstrom Religious History of the United States (1972) pp 731-872. All the Protestant churches grew rapidly at this time, and the pietistic ones used tent revivals extensively. Rjensen 06:17, 26 June 2006 (UTC)

But Ahlstrom never uses the term "Third Great Awakening." BBeagle (talk) 00:09, 31 March 2019 (UTC)

If rejecting the third awakening, the first one has to be recjeted the same. And they should be rejected but they are the truth. Certainly the article should point that connection and meaning out more clear. See above the comment regarding Darwin that comes also to play here. [E.] — Preceding unsigned comment added by 152.0.85.116 (talk) 10:17, 6 April 2021 (UTC)

New religions section

Hello, my username is FirsthandPOV-CCS, and I’m an employee of The First Church of Christ, Scientist. I noticed this sentence doesn’t reflect the source cited. The source says 1879 was the year that Eddy founded the Church of Christ, Scientist (the inception of Christian Science took place about 13 years earlier). Is it possible to identify a verb that fits better with the founding or establishing of a church than “invented”? FirsthandPOV-CCS (talk) 22:18, 10 January 2023 (UTC)

Done. Random person no 362478479 (talk) 22:16, 10 April 2023 (UTC)