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Text and/or other creative content from this version of Gush Katif after Israeli Withdrawal was copied or moved into Gush Katif with this edit on August 8, 2014. The former page's history now serves to provide attribution for that content in the latter page, and it must not be deleted as long as the latter page exists.

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Intercommunal violence and NPOV

The section titled Palestinian attacks only discusses attacks by Palestinians on Israeli settlers and does not make any mention of violence towards Palestinians by settlers (whether retributive or otherwise), nor does the section discuss any violence towards Palestinians from the IDF.

Ilan Pappe's Ten Myths About Israel includes the following when talking about Israeli settlement in Gaza (p159 of 212 in Verso's epub edition; locations 2122–2129 of 3227):

One solution was to divide the Strip into a Jewish area, with direct access to Israel, and a Palestinian area. This worked well until the outbreak of the Second Intifada. The road connecting the settlements’ sprawl, the Gush Qatif block as it was called, was an easy target for the uprising. The vulnerability of the settlers was exposed in full. During this conflict the Israeli army tactics included massive bombardments and destruction of rebellious Palestinian pockets, which in April 2002 led to the massacre of innocent Palestinians in the Jenin refugee camp. These tactics were not easily implemented in the dense Gaza Strip due to the presence of the Jewish settlers. It was not surprising, then, that a year after the most brutal military assault on the West Bank, operation “Defensive Shield,” Sharon contemplated the removal of the Gaza settlers so as to facilitate a retaliation policy.

In addition, the section goes into substantial detail about the individuals killed by Palestinian violence during the Second Intifada — perhaps more detail than is necessary and encyclopædic, especially given the lack of any mention of violence wrought on Palestinians by settlers and the IDF.

There is also very little mention of the effect on the Palestinian population of the Gush Katif settlements, beyond that they provided employment for some Palestinians in the greenhouses.

If anyone can expand the article in these regards, that would definitely help counter the impression that this article does a more comprehensive job of representing the Israeli settlers' perspective than it does of informing readers more widely. — OwenBlacker (he/him; Talk) 00:29, 30 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Literally no evidence was given by you for the alleged violence directed by the Palestinians. Ilan Pappe isn't a credible or objective source, he uses the debunked lie of "Jenin massacre" during the intifada (where most of the killed were militants), and the most important part - 0 examples were given, not even a single incident. 46.31.101.26 (talk) 18:43, 2 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Adding information & citation to a pre-existing sentence: Israeli pop singer Narkis, in addition to Hanan Ben Ari, has also been documented on video singing to Israeli troops saying “We’ll return [to] Gush Katif” and “We’ll finish Gaza”. Video documentation of this event is provided by Middle East Monitor, in addition to other publications like Dawn: first citation: https://www.middleeastmonitor.com/20231106-pop-singer-narkis-sings-with-israeli-soldiers-were-finishing-off-gaza/amp/ secondary citation (if needed): https://www.dawn.com/news/1786989/watch-israeli-pop-singer-narkis-calls-for-finishing-off-gaza

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Following the 2023 Hamas attack on Israel on 7 October, there has been a renewed campaign to return Israeli settlers to Gush Katif, ^[1] including Hanan Ben Ari and Narkis singing "We return to Gush Katif" to Israeli troops. ^[2] ^[3] 142.127.4.22 (talk) 13:50, 8 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Not done The only sources seem to be videos of the singing - we would need something more to establish actual significance. * Pppery * _{it has begun...} 02:31, 9 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

References

^ Yerushalmi, Shalom (October 24, 2023). "As war with Hamas rages, a campaign gets underway for a return to Gaza's settlements". Times of Israel.
^ Rousseau, Daphne (October 26, 2023). "Some Israelis dream of return to Gaza settlements as IDF readies to go back in". Times of Israel.
^ "Pop singer Narkis sings with Israeli soldiers: We're finishing off Gaza!". Middle East Monitor. November 7, 2023. {{cite news}}: |first= missing |last= (help)

return movement

the return movement to gush katif should be expanded https://www.timesofisrael.com/return-to-gush-katif-determined-movement-emerges-to-resettle-israelis-in-gaza/ https://www.jewishpress.com/news/eye-on-palestine/gaza/smotrich-controlling-gaza-would-be-very-difficult-without-rebuilding-gush-katif/2023/12/11/ Monochromemelo1 (talk) 22:26, 11 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Citations needed throughout this article.

Citations are missing throughout this article. 76.172.91.85 (talk) 18:35, 26 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

[1] Yerushalmi, Shalom (October 24, 2023). "As war with Hamas rages, a campaign gets underway for a return to Gaza's settlements". Times of Israel.

[2] Rousseau, Daphne (October 26, 2023). "Some Israelis dream of return to Gaza settlements as IDF readies to go back in". Times of Israel.

[3] "Pop singer Narkis sings with Israeli soldiers: We're finishing off Gaza!". Middle East Monitor. November 7, 2023. {{cite news}}: |first= missing |last= (help)

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