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On 23 January 2023, it was proposed that this article be moved to Princess Alice of Albany. The result of the discussion was not moved.

Comment

Please check your records. Lady May Cambridge is listed as having died in 1986, Lady May Abel Smith as having died died in 1994. I think that the 1994 date is correct.

I renamed this article Princess Alice of Albany, as this was her pre-marital name, in line with other wikipedia articles. Astrotrain (All rights reserved, subject to status

added brief mention of her time as vice-regal consort of canada pm_shef 02:12, 9 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Title?

Shouldn't this article be located at "Princess Alice, Countess of Athlone"? Pre-marital versions of article names are reserved for consorts aren't they? Craigy (talk) 22:32, 4 February 2006 (UTC)[reply]

That would make sense, since Princess Margaret is under Princess Margaret, Countess of Snowdon. Prsgoddess187 14:24, 5 February 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Yes, this seems to be an odd one out of the other married blood royal princesses. Thanks for clarifying Prs, I thought I was going mad as this might/should have been spotted a while back. :-) I'll implent the change Craigy

(talk) 15:09, 5 February 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Uniform

There is a prominent picture of her in uniform - so what did she do in the war and what does the uniform represent? DavidFarmbrough 00:11, 28 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Princess Alice held a number of honorary military appointments. In 1930, she became Colonel in Chief of the Pretoria Regiment as Viceregal Consort in South Africa. She was also made Commandant in Chief of the Women's Transport Service in 1933, by King George V. In Canada, she was made Honorary Commandant of the Women's Royal Canadian Air Force; Honorary Air Commandant of the Women's Royal Canadian Air Force; and, in honour of her aunt, Princess Louise, Duchess of Argyll (also once a Viceregal Consort of Canada), Colonel in Chief of the 4th Princess Louise Dragoon Guards. As well as this, she was President of the Women's Section of the British Legion. She was active in supporting troops during the war, mainly through moral support and encouragement. I'm not sure what she's wearing in the picture, but it was probably a symbol, to show the people that she was a soldier like the rest of them (though she obviously didn't go to fight). PeterSymonds | talk 07:48, 25 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]

When did this Princess Alice die ?

I recall watching the wedding of Prince Charles and Diana Spencer, and this Princess Alice appeared on the palace balcony with all the other royals and the commentator said she was 98 and she was Queen Victoria's last grandchild. I had not heard of this princess before and went to look them up in the encyclopedia. However it says here she died in January 1981 and Prince Charles was married in July 1981. Was there some other very elderly princess at that time ?Eregli bob (talk) 16:14, 19 July 2011 (UTC)[reply]

You have the "right" Princess Alice. There was another "very elderly" (though not *as* elderly) princess Alice, the Duchess of Gloucester. But the Alice you mention as being 98 at the time was the Countess of Athlone. --Geekyroyalaficionado (talk) 19:41, 29 December 2017 (UTC)[reply]

But the article says: Princess Alice [of Athlone] [died] in her sleep on 3 January 1981, aged 97 years and 313 days. Valetude (talk) 17:40, 20 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]

PS... You may be thinking of Princess Anne's first marriage (to Mark Phillips) in 1973. I remember Princess Alice being interviewed at that time. Valetude (talk) 21:28, 5 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]

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Order of St John

None of my sources (and I have several) prove the claim on this page that she had the Grand Cross of the Order of St John. Please provide a source for this.--Geekyroyalaficionado (talk) 19:42, 29 December 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Requested move 23 January 2023

The following is a closed discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review after discussing it on the closer's talk page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

The result of the move request was: not moved. Based on comments here and at Talk:Princess Louise, Duchess of Argyll#Requested move 24 January 2023, there may need to be a broader discussion on the naming conventions. (non-admin closure) Rotideypoc41352 (talk · contribs) 15:05, 10 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Princess Alice, Countess of Athlone → Princess Alice of Albany – For most deceased princess of royal blood, their articles are title as they were known at birth (for example Princess Mary Adelaide of Cambridge). So I would suggest moving Princess Alice to the same. In any case, Princess Alice of Albany seems to be slightly more prevalent in this Ngram than Princess Alice, Countess of Athlone. [1] Estar8806 (talk) 04:24, 24 January 2023 (UTC) — Relisted. P.I. Ellsworth , ed. ^put'r there 12:31, 2 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Comment This Google Trend [2] does, however, show that "Princess Alice, Countess of Athlone" is slightly more popular in searches, but almost certainly not enough for WP:COMMONNAME to be considered. Estar8806 (talk) 21:34, 24 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose - good enough for me that it's slightly more popular. Also, there is no uniform standard for these princesses for various reasons which would inevitably be revisited in these move proposals. --Killuminator (talk) 10:07, 26 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Comment It appears that the current name is as common as the suggested name, or even slightly more common. The nominator stated that for most deceased princess of royal blood, their articles are title as they were known at birth. I really don't think we have a clear pattern in terms of article naming for princesses of royal blood, because for example Princess Louise, Duchess of Argyll is not at "Princess Louise of the United Kingdom". Keivan.f^Talk 20:50, 7 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]
@Keivan.f - I also requested a move on the article you mentioned. On the discussion for that RM, I listed the British princesses I could find whose articles did not meet that convention. Feel free to take a look at those. Estar8806 (talk) 22:25, 7 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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