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Guideline for Aboriginal and Torres Strait Islander peoples terminology

Be conscious of the unique, diverse and distinct identities of Aboriginal and Torres Strait Islander peoples and understand the use of Aboriginal and Torres Strait Islander peoples is as a collective name.

Collective names used to describe Aboriginal and Torres Strait Islander peoples:
When writing about both Aboriginal and Torres Strait Islander peoples, use terms such as:

First Nations Australians
First Australians
Aboriginal and/or Torres Strait Islander peoples
First Peoples

Although "Indigenous Australians" is in common use, and is used to encompass both Aboriginal people and Torres Strait Islander people, many First Nations Australians feel the term diminishes their identity and should be avoided; however, where the word "Indigenous" forms part of an acronym to describe entities, organisations, or government departments the use is acceptable.

When used, the words Indigenous, Aboriginal and Torres Strait Islander, First Nations, First Peoples, and First Australians are capitalised.

Note: Never use the collective name "Indigenous and Torres Strait Islander" peoples as it misrepresents the identity of Torres Strait Islander peoples as not being the original inhabitants of islands in the Torres Strait.

Self-identifying terms:
Be specific where possible by using the name of the group or community with whom the people you are referring to identify.

Murri is usually used by Aboriginal people in and from Queensland and north-west New South Wales
Goori is usually used by Aboriginal people in and from northern New South Wales coastal regions
Koori is usually used by Aboriginal people in and from parts of New South Wales and Victoria

This is not an exhaustive list

Language that can be discriminatory or offensive and should be avoided:

shorthand terms like "Aborigines", "Islanders"
abbreviations like "ATSI", "A&TSI", "1st Nations"
using terms like "myth", "legend" or "folklore" when referring to the beliefs of First Nations peoples
terms like "part-aborigine", "full-blood", "half-caste", "quarter-caste", "octoroon", "mulatto", "hybrid"
terms like "tribe", "horde", "band", "clan", "moiety"

This is not an exhaustive list

Note: It is acceptable to use abbreviations in your communications when they form part of an acronym, a web address or an organisation (e.g. AIATSIS, NAIDOC, www.atsi.org.au). Using an acronym or abbreviation to describe a race of people can be offensive and discriminatory.

For further information, please refer to:

Australian Government Style Manual[1]
Australian Institute of Aboriginal and Torres Strait Islander Studies[2]
University of New South Wales[3]
Griffith University[4]

Terminology can change over time and, where possible, it is best practice to find out what the preferred term is from the respective Aboriginal and/or Torres Strait Islander group or individual you are referring to. For further guidance, please see the Australian Government Style Guide

Request for this article to be renamed/moved/redirected to First Nations Australians

Hey All,

I've seen that this has been discussed before with no real resolution, I have created a temple Template:First Nations Australians which is based on Australian Government Style Manual[5] and a couple of other sources, I have also added it to this page. According to the style guide 'First Nations Australians' is now the preferred term over 'Indigenous', I feel like Wikipedia should also reflect this change. I have already made this change on Racism in Australia and Institutional racism § Australia. If anyone else would like to help with either the template, or changing 'Indigenous' to 'First Nations', 'First Australians', 'First people', etc. that would be great.

Thanks,

AverageFraud (talk) 07:25, 2 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Wikipedia isn't ready for this move. First nations is not an article in its own right. It's simply a redirect to Indigenous peoples. So you're tackling the whole breadth of Wikipedia here, not just Australian articles. HiLo48 (talk) 09:30, 2 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Properly spelt First Nations. ....Talk:First Nations has a small talk with sources and guess work.Moxy-

09:50, 2 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks Moxy, I do think that in general we refer to them as Aboriginal and Torres strait Islander peoples, and we already have individual articles about each. Equating Indigenous Australians to Aboriginal Australians is a false equivalency. Torres Strait Islander people are different from Aboriginal people. This article should just be a list of redirects to both articles. I think that it should be changed to First Nations in Australia. AverageFraud (talk) 09:38, 15 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]

I actually think a good compromise might be "First Peoples of Australia". Doesn't seem forced. AverageFraud (talk) 09:45, 15 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Wikipedia:Help desk/Archives/2023 May 31#Australian Pygmy race

For the interested. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 09:27, 31 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Inclusion?

Why indigenous australians refers to both aboriginal and torres strait islanders in general? I dont have any idea torres strait islander is such little population but significant australians. 2404:8000:1027:D5FD:CCA9:4FA5:4C8D:A8A2 (talk) 01:34, 22 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Please be on the lookout for a user such as the above with Indonesian IPs making disruptive edits to do with Torres Strait Islanders on Wikipedia. This question has been answered before for them, so I'm ignoring it. Poketama (talk) 01:41, 24 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Removing c from black

I hit Enter too quickly on [6] so the summary is not complete.

What I meant to say is that [7] is still WP:SYN, because:

Neither reference says that Deacon used the phrase "black cunt" (being shouted at her while growing up). We might all "know" what the ref means, but it is still SYN.
In Munro 2020, Deacon does not say that the phrase was shouted at her, only "Growing up, I always heard the words ... from white people" (which could have been shouted at other people), and "It's still common [ie now, not when I was growing up] ... being shouted at us."

Mitch Ames (talk) 05:54, 27 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Flag

Re this edit ...

I'm not sure that is a good idea to have the Aboriginal Flag only, because Indigenous Australians includes Torres Strait Islanders, who have a different flag. {{Infobox ethnic group}} does not appear to support two flags. Should we have no flag instead of only one? Can we make a single image with both flags to put there (subject to copyright rules, because the Torres Strait Islander flag image is non-free). Mitch Ames (talk) 13:30, 27 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Fair point. Research17 (talk) 00:45, 4 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]