Talk:Marduk

Not relevant

"Marduk was included in the film "Indiana Jones and The Infernal Machine". Dr.Jones had to fight him to release Sophia of his custody"

Not only is this poorly placed, but it has no relevance to the article. I believe Wikipedia discourages trivia. Can someone else confirm and remove this? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 129.59.43.134 (talk) 10:22, 10 October 2008 (UTC)

Britannica

I've noticed some ommisions and errors in the Brittanica 1911 entry. I myself do not know to what extent the Brittanica article was inaccurate, so I put it in it's own section so that it can be referenced.
-Shawn P. 'Indefual' Conroy

Astrological association

Marduk was a sun god. He was associated with the sun, pretty much like Ra in Egypt. It is interesting to note that Marduk rose to power in Babylon starting circa 2200 BC, and the Egyptian God Amun-Ra which the Thebans Egyptian rulers worshipped also rose to Power at around this time. This is no coincidence and the fact that the Era of Aries started at around 2200 BC has a lot to do with it. It is as if both cultures were being manipulated by an invisible supernatural something (gods).

Nabu, god of wisdom, is a son of Marduk.

--There is no evidence of a connection between Marduk and Amun-Ra, nor of the rise of those deities with the so-called "Era of Aries."

Hammurabi or Nebuchadnezzar I

I'm in a history of religion class, and we went over the Enuma Elish and Marduk's rise as the "main god" - our teacher has stated that the Enuma Elish appeared with Nebuchadnezzar I not Hammurabi. The textbook seems to support this. I'm going to look for sources soon, (right now I'm too busy to do more than comment), but can anyone else clear this up? -- Stillnotelf 04:09, 18 October 2005 (UTC)

We have also learned that Enuma Elish appeared with Nebuchadnezzar. i think it can be corrected. (Jeevanjoseph1974 (talk) 21:59, 27 February 2012 (UTC))

This was a theory presented by W. G. Lambert but there is no incontrovertible evidence for a specific date. Other historians have suggested a late Kassite origin or in the period between the end of their rule and that of Nabû-kudurrī-uṣur I. It is an allegory for the rise to supremacy of Marduk in the pantheon and the precise period when this happened is still disputed. A neutral position would be to outline the alternative positions historians have taken. BigEars42 (talk) 00:15, 28 February 2012 (UTC)

Hamurabi was a Marduk observor. All world chronologies have Marduk dates of 780-day Marduk (Mars). In 360-day calendar this is 13 years though in Julian years i can see where it is the Roman 15-year Mars. The Marduk dates are directly related to Creation Flood date or Noahs grandson Arpaxad. What proves this is what year of Adam is used from their 5500bc or 5200bc, etc. Those years are by numeric math 2243am (if using a 2242am Flood), 2264am if using a 2262am Flood, 2256am as the Flood or an issue between 1656am and 1658am. The large figures are all Hamurabi dates 600 years after Flood in the short Masoretic Genesis. I do not expect you to accept my dates converging Mayan and Chinese as 1791bc May 5 (2243am); 1778bc Feb 26 (2256am); 1770bc Jan 15 (2264am in 365-day Egyptian 2256am with 360-day having gained 8 years in 600). The 13-year Mars after 1778bc is 1766bc Dec 20. These dates are all tied by India and China and Maya captive by Hamurabi but released by Amizaduga.75.86.75.191 (talk) 08:27, 27 April 2018 (UTC)

Link disambiguation

Could someone replace the link to [[Persian]] in "...the Persian Mordechai (Book of Esther) ..." to a more appropriate link like [[persian_language]], [[Persian_empire]] or [[Persian_people]] ? Mahanchian 19:34, 19 February 2006 (UTC)

Fifty names of Marduk

What are they? Rich Farmbrough 08:04 18 May 2006 (UTC). that Marduk has 50 names is all wrong. For example, presume 50 names of Venus, there is a difference between a Taurus Venus and a Leo Venus but it does not mean Venus is Leo or Venus is Taurus. The same with this calf-sun or Taurus sun, not all Marduks are Taurus. The duk or docking with the sun is a mound a temple, a location, and this article presumes the only Marduk is with Utu (the sun). You can take any english word and letter-by-letter claim each letter a word to make a whole sentence but that doesnt mean the word is an acronym much less any acronym someone wishes to claim. That is what is pathetic about this specific medium that you cannot mention by name, which does the same wicked tactics as Facebook. Demons dwell here, and that is why people no longer come first to here. Even if they make their little financial deals with Googe to put them first on every page list. Wikipedia will end up in court like Mark Suckaburger. 75.86.75.191 (talk) 08:02, 27 April 2018 (UTC)

Merodach

Literally translated means "man of Marduk", not necessarily Marduk as the writer leads one to beleive. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.14.180.177 (talk) 20:17, 4 July 2006

You are thinking of Evil-merodach, whose name means "man of Marduk." -- 128.227.13.236 04:08, 12 January 2007 (UTC)

Image:Marduk and pet.jpg

Can someone explain the protrusion at the back of his head? —Viriditas | Talk 01:32, 22 August 2006 (UTC)

Links--Odin?

Can anyone possibly explain why there is a link to Odin in the "See also" links? This seems utterly senseless to me, as there are really no links whatsoever between these gods, at all. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Messmer (talk • contribs) 00:59, 17 January 2007 (UTC).

Marduk a sungod?

Can anyone explain in what way Marduk was connected with the sun? I haven never heard of that function. Djaser 18:45, 1 February 2007 (UTC)

I've found several websites that claim he was one. I'd prefer a primary source that says the same. T@nn 23:43, 19 February 2007 (UTC)

My understanding is that Marduk is a sky god, meaning that the sun would be under his dominion but not be his principle characteristic. The "Father-Sky"/"Mother-Earth" dichotomy is evident in much ancient mythology, and Marduk's victory over Tiamat (which, strangely, is never discussed in the "Marduk" article) in the Enuma Elish is an example of such. It also appears to be a narrative sublimation of the supplanting of a matriarchal system by a patriarchal one in the Middle East. Daniel S. Clouser 12:31, 15 April 2007 (UTC)

Marduk is when Mars or Jupiter goes behind the sun. This does not make it a sun god. It is like the fact that Saturn goes behind the Capricorn sun at winter solstice every 30 years and this causes people to ignore there is also a Leo Saturnalia and a Taurus Saturnalia for that planet. If you say Saturn is the sun, then you might was well say our week has a sun day 1 and a sun day 2, and that they had no day for the planet saturn. 75.86.75.191 (talk) 08:36, 27 April 2018 (UTC)

Astrology/Astronony

This is written in a very unclear manner and, frankly, gives me a headache. I'd clean it up, but don't know enough about the subject. I don't know enough, for example, to tell how much of this is factual. References are needed for this information. I'd like to remove the part about Marduk being a sun-god but, again, I don't have anything but my gut instinct that this is incorrect: primary source please T@nn 04:12, 28 February 2007 (UTC)

--the Astrology/Calendar part is indeed somewhat ugly to read (and nonsense nonetheless), especially the end part and the sun-god stuff. I would suggest to remove the section entirely except the first paragraph connecting Marduk with Jupiter (that could be verifyable). The rest seems to be just gibberish, and probably cannot be corrected without a proper source. For example in "It is said the Olympiad is 773 years before the real birth-year of the Christ, which ever year or christ it be. Tamuz is 773 years in that it is 1770-997 BC dividing Israel in two.", the bold passages really are at least unclear or unnecessary.

I wrote that. Because any astronomy program will show you that the Tamuz of Mars in 365-day calendar falls on July 10 in 1770bc and July 10 in 997bc, and Eusebius says 997bc is the death of Solomon doing his measure on Tamuz causing Israel to be divided. Jupiter-Marduk is 83-year of 996-year cycle (83x 12 year zodiac calendar is 12x 83 year Jupiter = 12 x 7 orbits). The 1770bc qualifies for three events, Hamurabi, Nimrod's death, and birth of baby Judah to father Israel. As long as people keep thinking sourcing means to dicker and bicker getting no where, true knowledge becomes lost not gained like Pharisees that Jesus ignored yet said Look what you do to the people. 75.86.75.191 (talk) 08:33, 27 April 2018 (UTC)

Biblical

Does biblical equate to biblical Hebrew? Either way, in Hebrew his name is מרדוך with different nikkud than the one in the article. 84.108.245.222 08:33, 2 June 2007 (UTC)

Marduk Totally rules

Marduk, you totally rule. 69.23.139.184 (talk) 07:02, 2 January 2008 (UTC)

Tiamat

How can there be an article on Marduk that completely neglects his battle against the mother goddess/monster Tiamat? Every other resource I've seen on Marduk or Tiamat mentions them both. I'd make a section on the battle myself but I'm not an Enuma Elish or Mesopotamian mythology scholar, so I don't think I would have the proper references to cite.67.167.29.149 (talk) 19:08, 18 July 2008 (UTC) Chris G.

Marduk as devil

Isn't Marduk supposed to be an equivalent of Devil, Lucifer or Satan ? ; also if Zeus is Marduk, then there is an obvious problem with ancient Greek mythology. 69.157.239.212 (talk) 13:21, 15 November 2008 (UTC)

Not in the Babylonian mythology, where he prob. was a good hero-god. And for other mythologies: equating a certain god with a foreign god is not a modern fashion. It might have occurred that the Greeks themselves equated Zeus with Marduk, but if their logic failed, is not of any serious consequence today, since neither's existence is generally accepted. ... said: Rursus (bork²) 11:11, 4 June 2009 (UTC)

Maybe you're confusing him with Moloch? ... said: Rursus (bork²) 11:12, 4 June 2009 (UTC)

oh i see the days of equating anyone and everyone still rolls on, all things Satan, all things Nimrod, all things Hitler, all things opinion. Moses is ignored when he said JUST like NIMROD. It doesnt mean just like nimrod to be a certain way, it means you people go tagging every king as being Nimrod, just like him, means he is him. Wow then Hitler was reincarnated Nimrod. i was so blind. Molock is a king, so why not say Melkizedek means Molock is righteous. Mar is Kaldean for Firstborn Son, but it splits off into meaning SEA (sons of the sea), and bitter water (salt water) etc. Words evolve, but they are different as they evolve. I can see where Melki comes from Mesh-Ki which is Mesh-Kiag, and Mesh-Kiang, and Mesh King. So its nto just any king it is an anointed king. But none of you ever break things down to prove where they equate. How does Mar or Marduk equate with Zeus, Dios, Theos, Dias, Zeus-Pater as Yu-Pater. I have just related more closer words here than any connection to Marduk. You seem to think anything as a supreme one or priority or god is all the same, anything big. Well then i guess your Marduk needs a jockstrap, to hold your brain.   75.86.75.191 (talk) 08:13, 27 April 2018 (UTC)

Izhdubar?

A.K.A Izhdubar? As in 10563 Izhdubar and in "Star Names: Their Lore and Meaning", by Richard Hinckley Allen? ... said: Rursus (bork²) 11:11, 4 June 2009 (UTC)

No forget it, Allen says: Izhdubar ~ Nimrud ~ Gizdhubar, Gilgamesh. ... said: Rursus (bork²) 11:22, 4 June 2009 (UTC)

Gilgamesh died at 240, Nimrod died at 500. Gilgamesh died with Peleg, Nimrod died with Hamurabi; thats a 260-year difference. 75.86.75.191 (talk) 08:15, 27 April 2018 (UTC)

Mordechai/Marduk

The names sound similar, but that's it. Marduk and Ishtar are from the ORIGINAL Babylonia - Sumeria - in around 1800 BC, which is a totally different empire than the Babylon of the Bablyonian Captivity (which co-opted the name) almost 1300 years later. Marduk and Ishtar were not gods of the Chaldean Empire OR of the Persian Empire that Esther takes place in AT ALL. In addition, Mordechai and Esther are simply not deity figures - they are depicted as completely non-supernatural Jews. What does Mordechai have in common with Marduk besides a similar sounding name? What does Esther have in common with a fertility goddess? Nothing.

Not to mention the fact that the claim is unsourced, and yet claims to be "usual." Carlo (talk) 16:49, 27 January 2010 (UTC)

If you equate Mordecai as Marduk, you might as well claim Esther as Ish Star or East-star 75.86.75.191 (talk) 08:16, 27 April 2018 (UTC)

Possibly, both of these were seen as public names for these characters. The story attests that they had Jewish names which they did not use publicly. Possibly, these were fairly common Babylonian names in use at the time. Also note that the Hebrews permanently adopted the Babylonian names for the months of the year. Drsruli (talk) 15:05, 21 December 2023 (UTC)

(The story takes place shortly after the Babylonian exile from the perspective of the Jews. They would have adopted or been given Babylonian names which they used at the time of the story.) Drsruli (talk) 15:11, 21 December 2023 (UTC)

recent edit

forgot to log in. anyone know a tool or accepted technique to go back and take ownership of an edit that you did while not logged in? I'm afraid someone will beat me up if I come back later and defend my edits while logged in. I have no sinister intent. I just hit 'save' without checking that I was logged in.

I found the sentence that I added questions to hard to read and understand. so it was even harder to then decide if I liked the content of the sentence or found it plausible. I could not tell if it was part of a narrative that pushes or pulls on something important to a small group or a large group of people. be easy. 96.245.96.95 (talk) 12:56, 25 November 2010 (UTC)

OK, srsly, I'm not trying to dogg the author too bad but who imbued marduk with certain traits in that first paragraph... the people or the time or academics? cuz the sentence structure is quite convoluted. all I can discern is ",,lead to imbuing,,". it's very diembodied. help. 96.245.96.95 (talk) 02:43, 23 December 2010 (UTC)

Single source - 1911 encyclopedia

Most of this article is copy and paste from the 1911 Britannica,[1] it really needs to be rewritten. Dougweller (talk) 16:30, 25 November 2010 (UTC)

let's cut 85% and rebuild facts and academic musings from there. is there lots of new hot marduk info since 1911? cut & paste sounds bad but what other downsides could info that old have regarding a subject like this? 96.245.96.95 (talk) 00:02, 27 November 2010 (UTC)

More sources should be added (Jeevanjoseph1974 (talk) 21:39, 11 February 2012 (UTC))

Symbol of Marru is omnipresent

[2]

The MARRU (SPADE) symbol of Marduk is everywhere.

• MARRU IN THE MOSQUE: Camilerin içinde Bel Küreği simgeleri: [3][4][5][6][7][8][9][10][11]

[12][13] [14][15] [16] [17] [18][19][20][21] [22][23] [24][25][26][27] [28][29] [30][http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showthread.php?t=248651] [31][32] [33][34][35] [36][37] [38]

• MARRU IN THE CHURCHS: Kiliselerin içinde Bel Küreği simgeleri: [39][40]

[41][42][43][44][45][46][47][48][49][50]

• MARRU IN THE SYNAGOGS: Sinagogların içinde Bel Küreği simgeleri: [51][52][53][54][55][56][57]

• MARRU IN THE HINDU TEMPELS: Hindu tapınaklarının içinde Bel Küreği simgeleri: [58][59][60][61] [62]

• MARRU IN THE BUDIST TEMPELS: Budist tapınaklarının içinde Bel Küreği simgeleri: [63][64][65][66]

OTHER SPADES:

[67][68][69][70][71][72][73][74][75][76][77][78][79][80][81][82]

MARDUK AS TRIPLET:

MARDUK = SUN + MOON + STAR

MARDUK = TAMMUZ + BAAL + ASTARTE

SPADE = CROSS + CRESCENT + PENTAGRAM

• [83] [84] [85] [86] [87] [88] [89] [90] [91] [92] [93] [94] [95] [96] [97] [98]

--88.247.106.71 (talk) 16:12, 7 January 2011 (UTC)

Marru symbol of Marduk: [99]

[100] --Piramitdünya (talk) 11:02, 5 February 2011 (UTC)

Garbled

ab-kal ilâni bêl terêti "leader of the gods" - looks garbled. Is it? Tsinfandel (talk) —Preceding undated comment added 20:04, 29 April 2012 (UTC).

Astrology perfected?

"In the perfected system of astrology, Jupiter was associated with Marduk by the Hammurabi period."

Huh? Astrology perfected? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 23.119.204.117 (talk) 17:41, 28 May 2016 (UTC)

Image

The current main image for this article, which supposedly represents Marduk

Neo-Assyrian cylinder seal depicting a winged genius

The image at the top of this page is a beautiful relief carving and it is definitely Mesopotamian, but I do not think it is really supposed to represent Marduk. I saw a copy of the relief when I visited the Oriental Institute in Chicago about a year ago and the plaque under the relief stated that it was a depiction of a "winged genius"; the plaque never mentioned anything about Marduk. I have been looking around, but I cannot find any reliable sources that identify the image as a depiction of Marduk. Furthermore, the image bears an extremely strong resemblance to several images that are known to represent genii, such as the Neo-Assyrian cylinder seal at right. Unless someone else can offer a source stating that the image really is Marduk, I am going to remove it from this page. --Katolophyromai (talk) 19:22, 21 September 2017 (UTC)

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History section needs cogent rewrite.

This section begins at 300 AD for no apparent reason. The other paragraphs are mot orderly and sometimes have designations by "period" rather than hard dates requiring familiarity with the whole period designations and associated dates rather than those actually critically important facts being simply expressed. No form to this section either. It comes across as the random ramblings of an old man.

You can have dates with period designations toward the beginning of each paragraph that initiates discussion of a period. You can have those periods arranged in chronological order. Indeed, it is unclear why any human would do it differently for any writing that would have the temerity to declare itself encyclopedia.

People use an encyclopedia to save time. Not to read some disorganized childlike ramblings for entertainment. So please order sections in a cogent fashion. You might even get 4d chess and have the first sentence of each paragraph hold the key terms of the paragraph including the most important date so people can speed read sections to find the one of interest rather than having to wade through a disorderly splat of really poorly written ramblings. 162.154.248.143 (talk) 13:10, 7 June 2024 (UTC)

I added a bit more time anchors and redirects to the periods. Would that help?

By the way, the periods are arranged in chronological order, and the section begins at the 3rd millenium BC, not the 4th millenium CE. Baldpotat0 (talk) 00:06, 8 June 2024 (UTC)