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October 28
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October 28, 2024
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RD: Paul Morrissey
[edit]Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): New York Times
Credits:
- Nominated by Thriley (talk · give credit)
Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.
American film director known for his early association with Andy Warhol. Thriley (talk) 16:26, 28 October 2024 (UTC)
- Support article has no problems at a glance. Rynoip (talk) 19:45, 28 October 2024 (UTC)
October 27
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October 27, 2024
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2024 Uzbek parliamentary election
[edit]Blurb: The Uzbekistan Liberal Democratic Party wins the 2024 Uzbek parliamentary election which was criticized for lack of opposition participation. (Post)
News source(s): [1][2]
Credits:
- Nominated by Scu ba (talk · give credit)
- Created by Moondragon21 (talk · give credit)
Article needs updating
The nominated event is listed on WP:ITN/R, so each occurrence is presumed to be important enough to post. Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article and update meet WP:ITNCRIT, not the significance.
Nominator's comments: Article needs serious work, but it is ITN/R, the results are in and I added them Scuba 15:05, 28 October 2024 (UTC)
- Support - Agree that the article needs work, a good nomination as the election is a recent news event. Moondragon21 (talk) 15:14, 28 October 2024 (UTC)
Evo Morales assassination attempt
[edit]Blurb: Former Bolivian president Evo Morales (pictured) survives an assassination attempt targeting his vehicle. (Post)
Alternative blurb: Former president of Bolivia, Evo Morales (pictured) survives an assassination attempt targeting his car.
News source(s): BBC News CNN
Credits:
- Nominated by MAL MALDIVE (talk · give credit)
Evo Morales was really popular. MAL MALDIVE (talk) 08:13, 28 October 2024 (UTC)
- Oppose - The section for the assassination attempt on Morales' article is currently only three sentences long. An expansion of the section might be needed before posting. - Bucket of sulfuric acid (talk | contribs) 08:51, 28 October 2024 (UTC)
- Oppose Not important enough because he is former Bolivian president. Tradediatalk 11:12, 28 October 2024 (UTC)
- Oppose Says here his driver (no name given) survived and Morales was just lucky to have not been shot at all (like most celebrities). InedibleHulk (talk) 11:38, 28 October 2024 (UTC)
- Oppose at the current time, currently it is only Morales' claim that there was an assassination attempt, and while there is an investigation going on, we wouldn't take the word of just one person. --Masem (t) 12:09, 28 October 2024 (UTC)
- Oppose not enough coverage or content. Scuba 14:47, 28 October 2024 (UTC)
- Oppose Event is not notable enough for an ITN blurb as he is a former president of Bolivia. Also, the section about the assassination attempt itself is far too short. TNM101 (chat) 16:37, 28 October 2024 (UTC)
- Oppose I note that we did post an attempted assassination of a former president not that long ago. However, this entire event has had no casualties of any kind and may in fact just be hearsay, so there's no merit in posting it. GenevieveDEon (talk) 17:33, 28 October 2024 (UTC)
2024 Asian Netball Championships
[edit]Blurb: In netball, Singapore win the Asian Netball Championship by defeating Sri Lanka in the final. (Post)
Alternative blurb: In netball, the Asian Netball Championship concludes with Singapore defeating Sri Lanka in the final
News source(s): The Straits Times
Credits:
- Updated and nominated by Abishe (talk · give credit)
Article updated
Nominator's comments: Singapore won the Asian Netball Championships title after a gap of 10 years and Asian Netball Championships is considered a high-profile tournament in netball after the World Cup. Abishe (talk) 00:33, 28 October 2024 (UTC)
- Removed ITN/R label only the World Cup is listed. Abcmaxx (talk) 01:13, 28 October 2024 (UTC)
- Oppose on quality Article is nowhere close to expected standards to cover a tournament-type event. And given that netball does not have as great a follow as compared to assc. football or cricket, its hard to justify anything else but the ITNR World Cup item. Masem (t) 01:17, 28 October 2024 (UTC)
- Oppose on quality and notability Very niche single sex sport and this is not the top tier competition in it nor is it a worldwide event. Furthermore the article is very poor quality, short, missing subsections, sections which are just stat dumps, paragraph spacing all over the place, the lead constitutes most of the article, sections are incomplete, no description of the finals and many, many other quality issues. Abcmaxx (talk) 01:20, 28 October 2024 (UTC)
- Comment@Abcmaxx: I added the description of the final match. Will address the concerns as per everyone's wishes. Abishe (talk) 02:47, 28 October 2024 (UTC)
- Oppose Not important enough as a sporting event. Tradediatalk 11:14, 28 October 2024 (UTC)
- Oppose Article and especially the description of the Final fails WP:NPOV. Also not sure about the inclusion of only India and Sri Lanka's squads in the article. Furthermore, as Abcmaxx mentioned, not a top tier competition for a single gender sport and lacks significant mainstream coverage.TNM101 (chat) 14:40, 28 October 2024 (UTC)
- Oppose as far as I can tell this is a regional sporting event which isn't ITN notable. Scuba 15:13, 28 October 2024 (UTC)
- Oppose - This is not the top tier, nor is this regional contest particularly outstanding. GenevieveDEon (talk) 17:36, 28 October 2024 (UTC)
2024 Lithuanian parliamentary election
[edit]Blurb: The Social Democrats, led by Vilija Blinkevičiūtė (pictured), win the Lithuanian parliamentary elections after the second round. (Post)
News source(s): Bloomberg
Credits:
- Nominated by Abcmaxx (talk · give credit)
The nominated event is listed on WP:ITN/R, so each occurrence is presumed to be important enough to post. Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article and update meet WP:ITNCRIT, not the significance.
Nominator's comments: Results have been announced. Abcmaxx (talk) 23:51, 27 October 2024 (UTC)
- Support article looks in good shape. Scuba 01:51, 28 October 2024 (UTC)
- Support on significance as this will no doubt result in a change in government, with the Social Democrats returning to power after 8 years in opposition. Oppose on quality for now as the article could still do with some work; two sections are orange tagged and the lead is absurdly short for an election article. --Grnrchst (talk) 13:35, 28 October 2024 (UTC)
- Support. Significance is certainly there per WP:ITNELECTIONS, and especially since this is a complete upheaval of the government. As for the article's quality: I took care of one of the two orange-tagged sections mentioned by Grnrchst. I will admit that the article is dominated by tables and numbers, but that is typical for an article on an election. It would be nice to have a bit more prose concerning issues such as the background of the election, the course of the campaign, and stances taken by parties / arguments made in debates. Currently the background section provides an inkling of this, but given that it glosses over "the COVID-19 pandemic in Lithuania, 2020–2021 Belarusian protests and the Belarus–European Union border crisis and the Russian invasion of Ukraine" in one sentence there is definite room for improvement. Overall I'd say the quality is sufficient though. 98.170.164.88 (talk) 18:39, 28 October 2024 (UTC)
October 2024 Bulgarian parliamentary election
[edit]Blurb: GERB–SDS wins the most seats in the October 2024 Bulgarian parliamentary election, however, fails to break the country's long running political deadlock (Post)
Alternative blurb: GERB–SDS wins a plurality in the Bulgarian parliamentary election
News source(s): [3] [4]
Credits:
- Nominated by Scu ba (talk · give credit)
- Created by Number 57 (talk · give credit)
Article needs updating
The nominated event is listed on WP:ITN/R, so each occurrence is presumed to be important enough to post. Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article and update meet WP:ITNCRIT, not the significance.
Nominator's comments: Article needs to be updated with results and aftermath. But it is ITN/R. Scuba 19:15, 27 October 2024 (UTC)
- Comment: This is the seventh parliamentary election since 2021, however we still see status quo remains unchanged, I do not know when (or how many parliamentary elections) will Bulgaria resolve this situation. Haers6120 (talk) 20:00, 27 October 2024 (UTC)
- Support Bulgarian elections, set your watch to 'em This post was made by orbitalbuzzsaw gang (talk) 20:56, 27 October 2024 (UTC)
- Comment We should probably invoke WP:IAR to omit this election’s results, despite the fact it’s an ITN/R item, and post when the next government will be formed. Seventh parliamentary election in three years with a turnout below 40% says enough that this is just a routine event that even the majority of Bulgarians don’t care about. Note that the results, according to the exit polls, don’t suggest drastic changes compared to the previous election.--Kiril Simeonovski (talk) 23:31, 27 October 2024 (UTC)
- regardless, as per ITN/R, all national elections including this one, deserve ITN status. Scuba 01:52, 28 October 2024 (UTC)
- Unless we ignore that rule. InedibleHulk (talk) 02:49, 28 October 2024 (UTC)
- Yeah, sorry, got a little confused reading your comment earlier. Scuba 13:01, 28 October 2024 (UTC)
- Unless we ignore that rule. InedibleHulk (talk) 02:49, 28 October 2024 (UTC)
- regardless, as per ITN/R, all national elections including this one, deserve ITN status. Scuba 01:52, 28 October 2024 (UTC)
- Oppose IAR on the ITN/R here until they actually make progress towards forming a government, this will be the seventh time this has come up in the last 3 years. RachelTensions (talk) 04:30, 28 October 2024 (UTC)
- altblurb aas succinct.2A00:F3C:A282:0:352B:A597:2C95:67BA (talk) 07:38, 28 October 2024 (UTC)
- Oppose for now If a government is successfully formed, then I'd support a blurb at a later date. But as of now, unfortunately Bulgaria having another election isn't big news. --Grnrchst (talk) 10:21, 28 October 2024 (UTC)
- Election results with plurality are not unusual.Sportsnut24 (talk) 11:09, 28 October 2024 (UTC)
- No, but this is the seventh election the country has had in 3 years, because none of them have resulted in the formation of stable governments. If a Bulgarian election results in the formation of a government, that is what would be newsworthy. --Grnrchst (talk) 13:30, 28 October 2024 (UTC)
- Election results with plurality are not unusual.Sportsnut24 (talk) 11:09, 28 October 2024 (UTC)
- Oppose I am supporting using WP:IAR here and posting the next election where a government is actually being formed with a majority. TNM101 (chat) 15:37, 28 October 2024 (UTC)
2024 Japanese general election
[edit]Blurb: In the 2024 Japanese general election, the LDP-led ruling coalition loses its majority in the House of Representatives. (Post)
Alternative blurb: The long-ruling LDP despite winning the 2024 Japanese general election, loses its majority in the House of Representatives.
News source(s): Reuters, BBC News, FNN, The Guardian
Credits:
- Nominated by Haers6120 (talk · give credit)
The nominated event is listed on WP:ITN/R, so each occurrence is presumed to be important enough to post. Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article and update meet WP:ITNCRIT, not the significance.
Nominator's comments: Updated: now clearly, the LDP-led coalition lost its majority since 2012 (by NHK Japan) , this election is the most significant Japanese general election in at least 10 years. Haers6120 (talk) 15:25, 27 October 2024 (UTC)
- Comment: There is already the possibility that the LDP could re-invite some of the independents they removed from the party (Its in many discussions in news sources), which could give them a option of a majority, but all votes need counted to be sure. And both apposing main parties are also likely to attempt to get a majority by trying to work with smaller parties, so this maybe isn't as clear cut as say, 2024 UK general election. TheCorriynial (talk) 17:04, 27 October 2024 (UTC)
- For sure, it is too early to say that the government formation; nevertheless, it is the first time since the 2012 election that the LDP-led coalition failed to win a comfortable majority in the House of Representatives. Haers6120 (talk) 17:16, 27 October 2024 (UTC)
- It no longer looks like the LDP have a chance from the ballot box, the current count now has the opposition as crossing the 233 threshold. But, with some off the cuff math, with 22 undeclared seats, and around ten ish independents the LDP could take back, its gonna be a close "win" for either side. TheCorriynial (talk) 17:26, 27 October 2024 (UTC)
- That's why this election is significant :)
- By the way, this NHK election portal (although in jp) may provide more up-to-date election result info. Haers6120 (talk) 17:36, 27 October 2024 (UTC)
- I do think math wise, in the end, even with changes, it will likely lean CDP and all other parties, but it may just be split house. Although, with three seats left, it kinda looks like the final total could be a 214-251, which, even with some flips of independents, would not be enough for LDP to have 233. TheCorriynial (talk) 17:46, 27 October 2024 (UTC)
- The Ishin (JIP) may become the kingmaker. Haers6120 (talk) 18:38, 27 October 2024 (UTC)
- Ishin already said their not going the LDP's way, so likely.... TheCorriynial (talk) 18:48, 27 October 2024 (UTC)
- It's hard to say, given the significant ideological differences between CDP and JIP, the JIP may reverse its decision during the coalition talks. But still we never know. Haers6120 (talk) 18:55, 27 October 2024 (UTC)
- Point aside, its now pretty clear LDP have lost. TheCorriynial (talk) 18:58, 27 October 2024 (UTC)
- It's hard to say, given the significant ideological differences between CDP and JIP, the JIP may reverse its decision during the coalition talks. But still we never know. Haers6120 (talk) 18:55, 27 October 2024 (UTC)
- Ishin already said their not going the LDP's way, so likely.... TheCorriynial (talk) 18:48, 27 October 2024 (UTC)
- The Ishin (JIP) may become the kingmaker. Haers6120 (talk) 18:38, 27 October 2024 (UTC)
- I do think math wise, in the end, even with changes, it will likely lean CDP and all other parties, but it may just be split house. Although, with three seats left, it kinda looks like the final total could be a 214-251, which, even with some flips of independents, would not be enough for LDP to have 233. TheCorriynial (talk) 17:46, 27 October 2024 (UTC)
- It no longer looks like the LDP have a chance from the ballot box, the current count now has the opposition as crossing the 233 threshold. But, with some off the cuff math, with 22 undeclared seats, and around ten ish independents the LDP could take back, its gonna be a close "win" for either side. TheCorriynial (talk) 17:26, 27 October 2024 (UTC)
- For sure, it is too early to say that the government formation; nevertheless, it is the first time since the 2012 election that the LDP-led coalition failed to win a comfortable majority in the House of Representatives. Haers6120 (talk) 17:16, 27 October 2024 (UTC)
- Support alt 99.21% of the vote is in, these are the results give or take a half percentage or so. LDP will need to either form a coalition or rule via a minority. Somewhat big news for Japanese politics. Regardless, it is a national election and ITN/R, and the quality of the article is good enough for inclusion. Scuba 15:15, 28 October 2024 (UTC)
- Support National elections are ITN/R and we post elections with less than 99% of the vote in all the time. This post was made by orbitalbuzzsaw gang (talk) 20:56, 27 October 2024 (UTC)
- Support The votes have been counted and LDP-Komei only has 215 seats. With the isshin refusing I can already see LDP getting knocked out temporarily. ABG (Talk/Report any mistakes here) 22:42, 27 October 2024 (UTC)
- Comment, the infobox need be changed as it is missing Social Democratic Party who won 1 seat but is not included. Shadow4dark (talk) 00:56, 28 October 2024 (UTC)
- Support. Komeito should be mentioned in the blurb. GodzillamanRor (talk) 01:10, 28 October 2024 (UTC)
- Wait on original blurb, oppose altblurb it looks like this election will result in a hung parliament, with a CDP coalition or minority looking likely. Altblurb in this case would be wrong. Aydoh8[contribs] 02:00, 28 October 2024 (UTC)
Wait a little bit on original blurb The LDP PM is giving a press conference at 14:00 JST today. It's possible he could resign, in which case we could roll this blurb in with his resignation. In any case, it will likely take days to form a coalition, so I don't think there is any sense in waiting beyond today to post.Ishiba said in his press conference he's not resigning (for now). I think we're good to post this. Basil the Bat Lord (talk) 02:32, 28 October 2024 (UTC)- Wait a little on original blurb - per Basil the Bat Lord's reasoning. MiasmaEternal☎ 03:44, 28 October 2024 (UTC)
- Support on significance. The LDP losing its majority is big news. --Grnrchst (talk) 10:25, 28 October 2024 (UTC)
- Support because the LDP losing its majority is rare, and the CDP had its best results in party history. JohnAdams1800 (talk) 11:42, 28 October 2024 (UTC)
- Support, given the LDP having a majority for so much of the post-war period. John Smith's (talk) 17:55, 28 October 2024 (UTC)
October 26
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2024 Georgian parliamentary election
[edit]Blurb: The parliamentary election in Georgia results in no clear winner amid allegations of ballot stuffing and voter intimidation. (Post)
Alternative blurb: Georgian Dream wins the parliamentary election in Georgia amidst allegations of voting irregularities.
News source(s): BBC News
Credits:
- Nominated by Abcmaxx (talk · give credit)
The nominated event is listed on WP:ITN/R, so each occurrence is presumed to be important enough to post. Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article and update meet WP:ITNCRIT, not the significance.
Nominator's comments: The most important election in the nation's history and key turning point. Everyone has declared themselves the winner, increasingly quite clear the vote wasn't entirely fair which was expected given the ruling party's past comments and links to Russia. Abcmaxx (talk) 21:45, 26 October 2024 (UTC)
- Oppose on quality as the more you scroll down into the page the more unsourced paragraphs you see, especially in lines describing the parties themselves. Maybe some of them would be better off as excerpts? GeorgeMemulous (talk) 21:52, 26 October 2024 (UTC)
- I only see a few citation needed tags though? It looks well sourced to me but it is a long article. Abcmaxx (talk) 21:58, 26 October 2024 (UTC)
- For instance check the Labour Party section towards the end. It's got only a single source, less than what I would consider ideal for a current election article. On other aspects of quality though it's looking good with 284 sources and plenty of prose. GeorgeMemulous (talk) 22:06, 26 October 2024 (UTC)
- I only see a few citation needed tags though? It looks well sourced to me but it is a long article. Abcmaxx (talk) 21:58, 26 October 2024 (UTC)
- There will be protests tomorrow (today), nevertheless with over 90% counted, GD has won. It's not gonna be a Moldovan colored revolution like a decade+ ago. Also fitting both get on there. support.Sportsnut24 (talk) 03:45, 27 October 2024 (UTC)
- Support Although there are little bit of cn tags, the article is well sourced and well written. I dont think and article with over 200 references is of low quality, comparing to just 6 cn tags. MAL MALDIVE (talk) 11:41, 27 October 2024 (UTC)
- I have improved the cn tags now. MAL MALDIVE (talk) 14:10, 27 October 2024 (UTC)
- Support, quite an important election regionally and geopolitically. Article good enough. Nsk92 (talk) 12:58, 27 October 2024 (UTC)
- Wait if I understand the results right, there's still no clear winner by the counts and that's still happening so an "official" result will be known in a day or so. Of course, one party appears to be claiming victory, another is claiming the election was stolen, and looks like protests are likely. This would also help to expand the results and aftermath sections, which are nowhere close to the quality to capture the confusion in the wake of the election. --Masem (t) 14:19, 27 October 2024 (UTC)
- Like with any foreign political involvement or electoral fraud cases we may never know the true winner though, so the result is unlikely to be clear regardless of what happens now. If there are widespread protests then it would likely require a separate article anyway, like post-Belarussian elections did. Abcmaxx (talk) 19:12, 27 October 2024 (UTC)
- There would be an announced winner, though whether that's considered legitimate or not should be discussed should that be an issue, but it's not like, say, 2000 with Bush v Gore holding up the results of the elections. The count needs to be finished and the results announced. If it were a result too close to call, requiring further vote counting or secondary elections, that would be a story. But it still seems that the vote counting is still ongoing, its too close for anyone to neutrally be declared a winner. — Masem (t) 20:29, 27 October 2024 (UTC)
- We always accept the results announced by the official authority, which, in this case, is the Central Election Commission (CEC). If the results were falsified and the election was stolen, the CEC should take appropriate actions. What the international community thinks is completely irrelevant as this election is an internal affair of Georgia. At the end of the day, the Georgian state authorities decide whether the country will move in a pro-Western or pro-Russian direction. Our business here is to post the election results per ITN/R. I personally don’t care what’s their choice as it doesn’t affect me too much. I visited the country last year, and it’s really very beautiful with rich culture, majestic landscapes and very delicious cuisine.--Kiril Simeonovski (talk) 22:22, 27 October 2024 (UTC)
- Like with any foreign political involvement or electoral fraud cases we may never know the true winner though, so the result is unlikely to be clear regardless of what happens now. If there are widespread protests then it would likely require a separate article anyway, like post-Belarussian elections did. Abcmaxx (talk) 19:12, 27 October 2024 (UTC)
- Support regardless of if the (clearly faked) results are challenged, this is the result of the election. We posted the Russian election, no reason why we wouldn't post this either. Ensuing protests can be their own blurb later down the road. Scuba 19:11, 27 October 2024 (UTC)
- Comment With 99.96% of the votes counted, Georgian Dream won 89 out of 150 seats in the Georgian parliament. How does this suggest that there’s no clear winner?--Kiril Simeonovski (talk) 22:03, 27 October 2024 (UTC)
- The vote wasn't fair and hasn't been accepted by election observers nor the opposition when there are different voting outcomes claimed by pretty much everyone involved. Abcmaxx (talk) 23:27, 27 October 2024 (UTC)
- As I mentioned in my comment above, we accept the results announced by the election authority (in this case, the Central Election Commission), not what the opposition or the international observers say, and this is exactly what is used in the article’s infobox and body. If there’s a more reliable vote counter, it should be in the article.--Kiril Simeonovski (talk) 23:45, 27 October 2024 (UTC)
- The vote wasn't fair and hasn't been accepted by election observers nor the opposition when there are different voting outcomes claimed by pretty much everyone involved. Abcmaxx (talk) 23:27, 27 October 2024 (UTC)
- Support and added altblurb. Georgian Dream seems to be the winner, but noted that the election is in dispute. Nice4What (talk · contribs) – (Thanks ♥) 01:26, 28 October 2024 (UTC)
Israel strikes Iran
[edit]Blurb: Israel launches missile strikes across Iran in retaliation for earlier Iranian strikes in Israel this month. (Post)
Alternative blurb: Israel conducts air strikes in western Iran in retaliation for Iranian strikes on Israel earlier this month.
News source(s): https://www.nbcnews.com/news/world/live-blog/israel-iran-strike-retaliation-live-updates-rcna177303
Credits:
- Nominated by GeorgeMemulous (talk · give credit)
- Created by HadesTTW (talk · give credit)
- Updated by Noble Attempt (talk · give credit), Brandon Downes (talk · give credit) and Flemmish Nietzsche (talk · give credit)
Another development in the Iran - Israel proxy conflict. Not so much proxy any more, however. GeorgeMemulous (talk) 00:46, 26 October 2024 (UTC)
- Wait, lean oppose. This isn't the first time Israel attacked Iran this year, and that time proved to be bloodless. We shouldn't promote this unless if Israel does a full scale invasion of Iran or vice versa. HadesTTW (he/him • talk) 00:50, 26 October 2024 (UTC)
- Islamic Republic in Iran also lunched more than one bloodless missle attack on Israel and we did cover them both times, why the second Israeli attack is less important? This is acctually the first time in the history that Israel lunched a major scale, direct attack on Iranian soil. 3000MAX (talk) 01:39, 26 October 2024 (UTC)
- Yes it was the the first. That alone makes it notable. 'supportSportsnut24 (talk) 03:41, 27 October 2024 (UTC)
- Islamic Republic in Iran also lunched more than one bloodless missle attack on Israel and we did cover them both times, why the second Israeli attack is less important? This is acctually the first time in the history that Israel lunched a major scale, direct attack on Iranian soil. 3000MAX (talk) 01:39, 26 October 2024 (UTC)
- Wait there are reports that there are more attacks ongoing. We should wait until the strikes are over and see the damage. If there are widespread attacks or attacks on important targets, we should post, but otherwise, we should consider taking Israel-Hamas+Hezbollah off of Ongoing and put in Iran-Israel proxy conflict Personisinsterest (talk) 02:00, 26 October 2024 (UTC)
- Wait and see what develops. It's too soon to write an article while information is so thin. Jehochman Talk 02:04, 26 October 2024 (UTC)
- Support: The most sustained attack the Islamic Republic of Iran has come under since the Iran-Iraq War, and a major news story. The article has been fleshed out substantially since the earlier votes to 'wait'. ENEvery (talk) 16:49, 26 October 2024 (UTC)
- Oppose This is just the latest operation in a conflict that has been hot for a year now. The blurb gets it wrong because it talks of missile strikes rather than air strikes. And the article has a big section about a supposed intelligence leak with zero citations. It doesn't appear that today's operation is anything special -- just some softening up -- and so it's best left to Ongoing. Andrew🐉(talk) 17:37, 26 October 2024 (UTC)
- Comment: Air strikes can be carried out with missiles, and it's my understanding that these strikes were; but perhaps the blurb should just be rewritten rather? ENEvery (talk) 19:11, 26 October 2024 (UTC)
- The article says "over 100 aircraft, including F-35 Lightning II "Adir" stealth fighters, traveled roughly 2,000 kilometres (1,200 mi) for the attack, deploying heavy munitions ... followed by a second wave of drone strikes targeting the Parchin military complex on Tehran's outskirts". There's no mention of Israel specifically using missiles. The blurb should summarise the article, not get creative. Andrew🐉(talk) 23:08, 26 October 2024 (UTC)
- Comment: Air strikes can be carried out with missiles, and it's my understanding that these strikes were; but perhaps the blurb should just be rewritten rather? ENEvery (talk) 19:11, 26 October 2024 (UTC)
- Support Respectfully disagree with Andrew. Iran has put out a statement that it will have "no limits" or safety guards in response to what it views as a major escalation by Israel (with no comment whether that is a fair assessment or not). It is a major escalation between two nuclear powers. To torpedo the nomination because it is a "hot" conflict is circular logic... "hot" topics and "hot" conflicts are what make global news headlines. That's precisely the reason it belongs on ITN. FlipandFlopped ツ 17:41, 26 October 2024 (UTC)
- Iran said this was a major escalation? The article currently says almost the opposite. Bitspectator ⛩️ 19:13, 26 October 2024 (UTC)
- I have to agree with Bitspectator. Iran's argument is the opposite: that it was a minor assault that barely affected Iran's military. elijahpepe@wikipedia (he/him) 19:40, 26 October 2024 (UTC)
- It was highly restrained and minor. Nevertheless, as the first official attack that is notable.Sportsnut24 (talk) 03:42, 27 October 2024 (UTC)
- Support. There are military casualties, there may be answer and far going consequences. BilboBeggins (talk) 11:06, 27 October 2024 (UTC)
- Suggestion and comment: Change wording of blurb from "missile strikes" to "air strikes". I've already indicated my support for posting this on ITN, but I'm unsure of the correct protocol for editing the blurb. May I edit it myself, or is that the nominator's prerogative? This story is already nearly two days old; considering both previous direct attacks by Iran on Israel, and Israel's previous attack on Iran, made it to ITN rather quickly, it seems strange that this much more major attack is still languishing here in nominations. ENEvery (talk) 12:58, 27 October 2024 (UTC)
- Oppose - there's nothing unusual about this anymore. Perhaps a single ongoing for the various wars between Iran plus proxies against Isreal. No prejudice raising this again if one side uses nukes. Nfitz (talk) 19:50, 27 October 2024 (UTC)
- it is the first attack on Iranian soul after more then 35 years by a foreign state, the first time that Israel attack Iran in the history. The fitst time that iran's official army face casualties in its conflict against Israel. 3000MAX (talk) 22:52, 27 October 2024 (UTC)
- Israel has killed or wounded quite a few Islamic Revolutionary Guards in Syria, but yeah, two out of three elements ain't routine. InedibleHulk (talk) 02:46, 28 October 2024 (UTC)
- Iran. They have never attacked Iran before.Sportsnut24 (talk) 11:11, 28 October 2024 (UTC)
- Israel's "liberated" Iranian souls from Iranian soil before, but this is the first time (that I remember) an official confirmation or denial. InedibleHulk (talk) 11:30, 28 October 2024 (UTC)
- it is the first attack on Iranian soul after more then 35 years by a foreign state, the first time that Israel attack Iran in the history. The fitst time that iran's official army face casualties in its conflict against Israel. 3000MAX (talk) 22:52, 27 October 2024 (UTC)
- Support This is of the same level of importance as other similar events that we blurbed in the past. Tradediatalk 11:21, 28 October 2024 (UTC)
October 25
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October 25, 2024
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RD: Jim Donovan
[edit]Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): New York Times
Credits:
- Updated and nominated by Spencer (talk · give credit)
Article updated
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American sportscaster. SpencerT•C 04:05, 27 October 2024 (UTC)
(Posted) RD: Phil Lesh
[edit]Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): [5]
Credits:
- Nominated by DriveAllKnight (talk · give credit)
- Updated by Ritchie333 (talk · give credit)
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Bassist and occasional singer in the Grateful Dead. DriveAllKnight (talk) 19:57, 25 October 2024 (UTC)
Waitand see if the article can be improved. There is a lot of unsourced content, but that can now be got from obituaries. There are a number of citations to Lesh's autobiography that need page numbers. Ritchie333 (talk) (cont) 10:04, 26 October 2024 (UTC)
- Support now the article has been cleaned up. Ritchie333 (talk) (cont) 14:22, 26 October 2024 (UTC)
- Posted – Schwede66 20:38, 26 October 2024 (UTC)
RD: Abdelaziz Barrada
[edit]Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): BBC News Morocco World News
Credits:
- Nominated by TNM101 (talk · give credit)
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Moroccan Footballer. Another recent footballer death.TNM101 (chat) 15:09, 25 October 2024 (UTC)
- Oppose as incomplete per WP:ITNRD and WP:ITNQUALITY. A page must be "Updated, including reliably sourced confirmation of their death"; "Articles should be a minimally comprehensive overview of the subject, not omitting any major items". He played for five clubs after Marseille and that's not mentioned at all, even the bare minimum of stories of him signing for them. We wouldn't post a singer if their last five albums weren't even mentioned, to use an analogy. The templates show he was chosen for the 2013 Africa Cup of Nations and that's not mentioned at all in the prose, and would be very easy to cite. Unknown Temptation (talk) 15:32, 27 October 2024 (UTC)
- Comment I fixed these issues, as well as a subjective statement about him being "crucial" or words to that effect in a lower-league reserve team. Page is going for ITN, not GA, so I believe it's sufficient now. Unknown Temptation (talk) 16:15, 27 October 2024 (UTC)
RD: Rohini Godbole
[edit]Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): The Indian Express
Credits:
- Nominated by Pharaoh of the Wizards (talk · give credit)
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Indian physicist.Pharaoh of the Wizards (talk) 09:57, 25 October 2024 (UTC)
- Support looks good to me. Aydoh8[contribs] 13:49, 25 October 2024 (UTC)
- Comment: Article has info in lede not included elsewhere in the article. Book descriptions in the Books section appear to be copyright violations. "Research fields" section should be expanded with prose. SpencerT•C 02:03, 28 October 2024 (UTC)
RD: Kim Soo-mi
[edit]Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Korea JoongAng Daily
Credits:
- Nominated by Wizzito (talk · give credit)
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South Korean actress wizzito | say hello! 02:32, 25 October 2024 (UTC)
- Oppose No career section. InedibleHulk (talk) 05:30, 25 October 2024 (UTC)
October 24
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October 24, 2024
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RD: Jeri Taylor
[edit]Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Deadline
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Writer and producer for Star Trek: The Next Generation and Star Trek: Voyager. 107.115.33.41 (talk) 06:43, 28 October 2024 (UTC)
RD: Amir Abdur-Rahim
[edit]Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Tampa Bay Times, Atlanta Journal-Constitution, USF
Credits:
- Nominated by The Kip (talk · give credit)
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American basketball coach. The Kip (contribs) 23:09, 24 October 2024 (UTC)
- Support Article appears well sourced.Youraveragearmy (talk) 13:42, 25 October 2024 (UTC)
- Comment: Close; coaching stats section needs a reference. SpencerT•C 01:30, 28 October 2024 (UTC)
RD: Julia Hawkins
[edit]Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): NPR
Credits:
- Updated and nominated by ForsythiaJo (talk · give credit)
- Updated by Thriley (talk · give credit)
Article updated
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American centenarian sprinter. ForsythiaJo (talk) 19:22, 24 October 2024 (UTC)
- Comment Looks ready. Thriley (talk) 20:39, 24 October 2024 (UTC)
- A biography that jumps straight from 1949 to 2016 is "ready"? Um, okay. Just the normal sort of detachment from reality that occurs all the time on this page, I guess. RadioKAOS / Talk to me, Billy / Transmissions 05:28, 26 October 2024 (UTC)
- @RadioKAOS: In the interests of WP:CIVIL, I encourage you to make your point without the sniping please, whatever the level of frustration, there's far too much of that on here. I would urge you to strike the last sentence out. Abcmaxx (talk) 06:50, 26 October 2024 (UTC)
- It is possible that the biography jumps straight from 1949 to 2016 because there is not much to talk about. Is this woman really notable? This is not the time and the place to discuss this. So her claim to fame seems to be that she ran a 100 meter sprint at age 105 (it took her over a minute when real runners take about 10 seconds). Why are we making 105 year old people run a 100 meter "sprint"?! This seems like an extreme case of media bullshit and woke culture. Tradediatalk 01:36, 27 October 2024 (UTC)
- Her notability derives almost entirely from things she did after turning 100 years old in 2016. It is not surprising that the pre-2016 biography is fairly thin. Sunshineisles2 (talk) 03:48, 27 October 2024 (UTC)
- A biography that jumps straight from 1949 to 2016 is "ready"? Um, okay. Just the normal sort of detachment from reality that occurs all the time on this page, I guess. RadioKAOS / Talk to me, Billy / Transmissions 05:28, 26 October 2024 (UTC)
2024 Mozambican general election
[edit]Blurb: Daniel Chapo is announced as the winner of the 2024 Mozambican presidential election. (Post)
News source(s): BBC
Credits:
- Created and nominated by BeanieFan11 (talk · give credit)
Article updated
The nominated event is listed on WP:ITN/R, so each occurrence is presumed to be important enough to post. Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article and update meet WP:ITNCRIT, not the significance.
First time making a blurb nomination (actually, I think there was one other time previously). Hope I'm doing this right. BeanieFan11 (talk) 16:09, 24 October 2024 (UTC)
- Thanks for the nomination, but this has to wait the whole election is a bit of a mess with two people claiming to be winner. Once this is cleared up I'd support it's inclusion. Scuba 16:13, 24 October 2024 (UTC)
- Comment I'm confused: is this a general or presidential election? Also surely ITN/R and if not why not? Abcmaxx (talk) 16:47, 24 October 2024 (UTC)
- There's a parliamentary election and a presidential election held concurrently (thus 'general election') – not sure if parliamentary results are to be included or just presidential? I added that its ITN/R. BeanieFan11 (talk) 17:42, 24 October 2024 (UTC)
- Shouldn't these be two separate articles then or is it just one vote which decides both? Abcmaxx (talk) 18:01, 24 October 2024 (UTC)
- From what I have seen, the standard practice is that there always exists a "general election" page that consolidates the overview in cases where a nation has multiple elections at once. If there are enough active editors, those articles are then spun off into separate pages. It depends from place to place, typically with countries having higher user traffic getting those spun off articles more often. At the end of the day though, it is arbitrary. TLDR, no, the general election page is standard practice, and there is not a single vote that is cast which decides both. Ornithoptera (talk) 05:43, 25 October 2024 (UTC)
- The article is just very confusing in its current form though, it conflates both elections; yes they were held simultaneously but I would vote for a split. Abcmaxx (talk) 07:39, 25 October 2024 (UTC)
- From what I have seen, the standard practice is that there always exists a "general election" page that consolidates the overview in cases where a nation has multiple elections at once. If there are enough active editors, those articles are then spun off into separate pages. It depends from place to place, typically with countries having higher user traffic getting those spun off articles more often. At the end of the day though, it is arbitrary. TLDR, no, the general election page is standard practice, and there is not a single vote that is cast which decides both. Ornithoptera (talk) 05:43, 25 October 2024 (UTC)
- Shouldn't these be two separate articles then or is it just one vote which decides both? Abcmaxx (talk) 18:01, 24 October 2024 (UTC)
- There's a parliamentary election and a presidential election held concurrently (thus 'general election') – not sure if parliamentary results are to be included or just presidential? I added that its ITN/R. BeanieFan11 (talk) 17:42, 24 October 2024 (UTC)
- Oppose on quality but support in principle as ITN-R This post was made by orbitalbuzzsaw gang (talk) 02:58, 25 October 2024 (UTC)
- Not ready. The article is in a poor shape. It shouldn't be split (as suggested above), but it should do a much better job of explaining that there were separate elections for the president and parliament held on the same day. The lead is woefully inadequate, and the results tables are empty. The 'aftermath' section is longer than the rest of the article, which is a problem for WP:PROPORTION. Needs work before it could be posted. Modest Genius talk 18:12, 25 October 2024 (UTC)
- I was only suggesting a split due to the disconnect and conflation of the two in the article. However looking at the 2019 Mozambican general election this article should follow the same format. Abcmaxx (talk) 11:25, 26 October 2024 (UTC)
RD: Gary Indiana
[edit]Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Artnews
Credits:
- Nominated by Thriley (talk · give credit)
Article updated
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American writer and art critic. Thriley (talk) 15:57, 24 October 2024 (UTC)
- Support Article appears well sourced. TNM202 (talk) 06:27, 27 October 2024 (UTC)
- Support - Article is in good shape. Sources are clear, and I would say that this article meets the minimum standards for a credible BLP that deserves to be posted as an RD. - Trauma Novitiate (talk) 11:49, 28 October 2024 (UTC)
RD: Ron Ely
[edit]Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): BBC, NYT
Credits:
- Nominated by Andrew Davidson (talk · give credit)
- Updated by Fyunck(click) (talk · give credit) and Jkaharper (talk · give credit)
Article updated
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Nominator's comments: He died in September but the death has only just been announced. He was a famous Tarzan on TV back in the day and was engaging as Doc Savage too. As a famous face, he's another good picture candidate. ITN has been showing Sinwar's picture for a week now and so a change is overdue. Andrew🐉(talk) 08:51, 24 October 2024 (UTC)
We could just picture Moldova. InedibleHulk (talk) 09:02, 24 October 2024 (UTC) Too late, we're now picturing a guy I'm betting nobody here saw before. InedibleHulk (talk) 06:48, 25 October 2024 (UTC)- Yes, just about nobody was reading about him. Even Grizzly 399 has a bigger readership. Andrew🐉(talk) 08:04, 25 October 2024 (UTC)
- notability ≠ popularity _-_Alsor (talk) 14:36, 25 October 2024 (UTC)
- Gustavo has been found lacking in both and so has been pulled. We're back to Sinwar for a second week and this is not progress. Andrew🐉(talk) 19:43, 25 October 2024 (UTC)
- Update:
We now feature six all-new, never-before-seen Turkish turnstiles, captured (alongside potentially discernible humanoid figures) in glorious 640x524! InedibleHulk (talk) 22:52, 25 October 2024 (UTC)Partly cloudy, 800x600. InedibleHulk (talk) 03:17, 28 October 2024 (UTC)
- Update:
- Gustavo has been found lacking in both and so has been pulled. We're back to Sinwar for a second week and this is not progress. Andrew🐉(talk) 19:43, 25 October 2024 (UTC)
- notability ≠ popularity _-_Alsor (talk) 14:36, 25 October 2024 (UTC)
- Yes, just about nobody was reading about him. Even Grizzly 399 has a bigger readership. Andrew🐉(talk) 08:04, 25 October 2024 (UTC)
- Support RD, oppose blurb: Seems well written and well sourced (except a few in the career section). However theres nothing in the article that indicates he was transformative in his field, no major awards mentioned in it or evidence of worldwide impact as Dame Maggie Smith had. The C of E God Save the King! (talk) 11:38, 24 October 2024 (UTC)
- Strong oppose blurb good lord, one of these days we have to sort out some meaningful criteria for RDB. OLDMANDIES. This post was made by orbitalbuzzsaw gang (talk) 03:00, 25 October 2024 (UTC)
- Reminder A Photo RD is not a blurb. It uses just three words (first name, last name, "pictured") in the usual place. Like a Usual RD, it cannot last very long. InedibleHulk (talk) 04:38, 25 October 2024 (UTC)
- Reminder there is no consensus for photo RDs, get that first before you go on. Stephen 06:35, 25 October 2024 (UTC)
- Well, Yeah, I'm talking "in theory" here. InedibleHulk (talk) 06:45, 25 October 2024 (UTC)
- Reminder there is no consensus for photo RDs, get that first before you go on. Stephen 06:35, 25 October 2024 (UTC)
- Support RD, oppose picture as he isn't important enough to warrant that, and there is no precedent for featuring the picture in this way. QuicoleJR (talk) 22:15, 25 October 2024 (UTC)
October 23
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October 23, 2024
(Wednesday)
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RD: Leon Cooper
[edit]Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): The New York Times
Credits:
- Nominated by 240F:7A:6253:1:E011:5438:975C:9F4D (talk · give credit)
- Updated by Painting17 (talk · give credit)
Article updated
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240F:7A:6253:1:E011:5438:975C:9F4D (talk) 03:34, 28 October 2024 (UTC)
RD: Jack Jones
[edit]Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): [6], [7]
Credits:
- Nominated by Happily888 (talk · give credit)
- Updated by Deathisallaroundus (talk · give credit), Entertainment Buff (talk · give credit) and Strattonsmith (talk · give credit)
Article updated
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Happily888 (talk) 02:54, 25 October 2024 (UTC)
- Oppose on quality several CN tags are present. INeedSupport :3 03:00, 25 October 2024 (UTC)
(Posted) RD: Grizzly 399
[edit]Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Washington Post
Credits:
- Nominated by Thriley (talk · give credit)
Article updated
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American grizzly bear. Thriley (talk) 05:59, 24 October 2024 (UTC)
- Support It's surprising that she didn't get a personal name but the number will make the article stand out at RD. Andrew🐉(talk) 09:04, 24 October 2024 (UTC)
- Article has tense problems (still mostly in present tense). --Masem (t) 12:35, 24 October 2024 (UTC)
- Tried to clean up much of these issues. Natg 19 (talk) 00:02, 25 October 2024 (UTC)
- Support sure, I guess This post was made by orbitalbuzzsaw gang (talk) 03:01, 25 October 2024 (UTC)
- Posted – Schwede66 04:37, 25 October 2024 (UTC)
RD: Geoff Capes
[edit]Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Sky News, BBC
Credits:
- Nominated by Stephen (talk · give credit)
Article updated
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British shot putter Stephen 18:05, 23 October 2024 (UTC)
- Oppose for now - too much unsupported info. - SchroCat (talk) 18:28, 23 October 2024 (UTC)
- Blurb/picture As World's Strongest Man more than once, he was top of his field and quite famous in his day. His face was quite familiar and we have a recognisable picture of it while the current top blurb about Moldova doesn't have a picture. Andrew🐉(talk) 18:53, 23 October 2024 (UTC)
- Oppose on quality, too much unsourced, Oppose blurb, simply being a household name is not sufficient weight, there should be clear indication of what impact or legacy he had on the future of the sport. Masem (t) 19:23, 23 October 2024 (UTC)
- Oppose blurb not a household name. Even if he was, not a serving head of state/gov. OLDMANDIES. This post was made by orbitalbuzzsaw gang (talk) 02:59, 25 October 2024 (UTC)
RD: Shamshad Abdullaev
[edit]Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Radio Liberty
Credits:
- Nominated by Trepang2 (talk · give credit)
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A renowned Uzbek Russian-language poet, leader of the Fergana poetic school. The article looks OK. Trepang2 (talk) 17:58, 23 October 2024 (UTC)
- Unreferenced paragraphs. Stephen 12:11, 27 October 2024 (UTC)
(Posted) 2024 Turkish Aerospace Industries headquarters attack
[edit]Blurb: Following a terrorist attack by the Kurdistan Workers' Party that killed 7 people, Turkey conducts airstrikes in Syria and Iraq that kill at least 12 people. (Post)
Alternative blurb: A Kurdistan Workers' Party attack on the Turkish Aerospace Industries headquarters in Ankara, Turkey, kills 7 people.
News source(s): CNN, The Guardian
Credits:
- Nominated by Bakhos2010 (talk · give credit)
Article updated
If the casualties from the terrorist attack was low for several days, it should be closed from this nomination. So, we'll wait for a while. Bakhos2010 (talk) 15:14, 23 October 2024 (UTC)
- Article seems to be a duplicate of 2024 Turkish Aerospace Industries headquarters attack RachelTensions (talk) 15:21, 23 October 2024 (UTC)
- Clearly only one is f these pages is needed, and the target article here can be updated. — Masem (t) 16:44, 23 October 2024 (UTC)
- Support issues look to be resolved now, major incident with worldwide coverage. Abcmaxx (talk) 08:58, 24 October 2024 (UTC)
- Support, with different blurb - Major attack with significant news coverage, but the blurb provided is both in the past tense and features no links. Maybe this would be better: A terrorist attack on the headquarters of Turkish Aerospace Industries leaves seven people dead and 22 injured. Poxy4 (talk) 12:13, 24 October 2024 (UTC)
- Changed the blurb Bakhos2010 (talk) 13:50, 24 October 2024 (UTC)
- Support Looks ready. Thriley (talk) 16:13, 24 October 2024 (UTC)
- I've edited the blurb so that it complies with MOS:NUMNOTES (i.e. we don't mix numbers and numerals). Schwede66 04:34, 25 October 2024 (UTC)
- Support PKK claims responsibility so there is no speculation there. Shadow4dark (talk) 10:39, 25 October 2024 (UTC)
- Comment Turkey has killed at least 12 civilians in retaliatory airstrikes [8]. If this is posted, it should be with a blurb that mentions the deaths on both sides, not only those caused by the PKK.
Altblurb added.Struck because it's now the main blurb. Modest Genius talk 11:47, 25 October 2024 (UTC)
- I think that blurb is better, so I've changed it and marked this nomination as ready. Poxy4 (talk) 13:05, 25 October 2024 (UTC)
- I've tweaked it again now the article says the PKK claimed responsibility, though I'm unsure about the reliability of the reference it cites. Modest Genius talk 18:06, 25 October 2024 (UTC)
- I think that blurb is better, so I've changed it and marked this nomination as ready. Poxy4 (talk) 13:05, 25 October 2024 (UTC)
- Proposed an altblurb now that the PKK has claimed responsibility. Nice4What (talk · contribs) – (Thanks ♥) 15:48, 25 October 2024 (UTC)
- Posted – Schwede66 19:20, 25 October 2024 (UTC)
(Posted) Tropical Storm Trami
[edit]Blurb: Tropical Storm Trami (pictured) kills at least 115 people in the Philippines. (Post)
News source(s): ABC
Credits:
- Nominated by HurricaneEdgar (talk · give credit)
HurricaneEdgar 09:06, 23 October 2024 (UTC)
Wait unti it dissipates. 🔥Jalapeño🔥 contribs 10:04, 23 October 2024 (UTC)Support, quality of the article is good. 🔥Jalapeño🔥 contribs 07:17, 25 October 2024 (UTC)
- I think this is a Bad Plan. Stories like these have a tendency to evaporate from the news cycle very quickly, and if the quality update exists now, waiting until the storm ceases to exist would essentially lead to us posting a stale item. If the article is ready, we ought to post at the peak of an item's newsworthiness, not after the denouement. Duly signed, ⛵ WaltClipper -(talk) 13:54, 23 October 2024 (UTC)
- Support - Everything looks good here. Duly signed, ⛵ WaltClipper -(talk) 13:54, 23 October 2024 (UTC)
- Support quality is there, has made impact with landfall, there's no need to wait after that point. Masem (t) 14:06, 23 October 2024 (UTC)
Weak supportCasualties are a little bit low, but nevertheless Trami was very impactful. Article looks good in my opinion. INeedSupport :3 14:10, 23 October 2024 (UTC)Casualties are a little bit low
there has got to be a better way to word this RachelTensions (talk) 14:45, 23 October 2024 (UTC)- Perhaps. I was trying to see that the amount of deaths and injuries are slightly lower than events that were posted in ITN before. Since then the amount of deaths is now quite significant. INeedSupport :3 03:56, 24 October 2024 (UTC)
- Changing to Strong Support for the high death toll. For a tropical storm, 80+ deaths is very significant. Article has high quality. INeedSupport :3 16:45, 25 October 2024 (UTC)
- Question the lead sentence suggests that this storm is known as "Severe Tropical Storm Kristine" in the Philippines. Should the blurb refer to it as "Kristine" here because we're specifically talking about its effects on the Philippines? What's the status quo here? RachelTensions (talk) 15:26, 23 October 2024 (UTC)
- "Kristine" was the local name for the storm in the Philippines, but it was referred to internationally as "Trami," a name given by the JMA, which PAGASA also recognized. International media refer to the storm as Trami. HurricaneEdgar 15:37, 23 October 2024 (UTC)
- Support per WaltCip and Masem FlipandFlopped ツ 16:46, 23 October 2024 (UTC)
- Strong Support: Quite a lot of casualties. Should post now. Elios Peredhel (talk) 23:23, 23 October 2024 (UTC)
- Support it's a storm that has already made landfall. It is notable enough for it to be posted. Rager7 (talk) 02:45, 24 October 2024 (UTC)
- Oppose low casualties, low damage ($200K USD). Stephen 03:27, 24 October 2024 (UTC)
- Oppose - this isn't even at hurricane strength. The infrastructure in the Philippines is such that a storm that doesn't kill people in advanced nations will cause deaths there. We don't need to put every moderate storm with heavy rainfall in ITN. Nfitz (talk) 04:11, 24 October 2024 (UTC)
- Support as this is already a significantly impactful storm in the Philippines, causing widespread and potentially damaging flooding and, unfortunately, many casualties. ArkHyena (it/its) 06:52, 24 October 2024 (UTC)
- Oppose per the cited Reuters report which states, "The Philippines typically records an average of 20 tropical storms annually, often resulting in heavy rains, strong winds, and deadly landslides." So, this is ordinary weather for this region and just a WP:NEWSEVENT. Andrew🐉(talk) 17:51, 24 October 2024 (UTC)
- Oppose Per Nfitz et al, this simply isn't out of the ordinary in the area, and the death toll, whilst obviously tragic, is not exceptional. Black Kite (talk) 18:00, 24 October 2024 (UTC)
- Wait, but leaning towards support. I think we should wait for further reports before this can be blurbed; but as the weather in the Philippines becomes clearer, the scale of Trami's destruction is beginning to be more extensively known. That said, if Nalgae in 2022 – a similar storm which also caused widespread flooding in the Philippines – was blurbed, then Trami in 2024 should be too (although Nalgae did eventually peak as a Category 1 on JTWC). Vida0007 (talk) 02:59, 25 October 2024 (UTC)
- Wait but support at a later date per above This post was made by orbitalbuzzsaw gang (talk) 03:10, 25 October 2024 (UTC)
- Strong support 40 people dead by this and still not posted? Milton also did not leave this much people dead, but was posted. MAL MALDIVE (talk) 05:42, 25 October 2024 (UTC)
- Support At least 46 deaths are enough deaths for a blurb. Blaylockjam10 (talk) 06:22, 25 October 2024 (UTC)
- Support. Now up to 82 deaths and continuing to rise, which is a lot even for a typhoon - currently the second most deadly of 2024. The article is substantial and well-referenced. Modest Genius talk 11:42, 25 October 2024 (UTC)
- Support. Good amount of deaths, but unknown damage. Flooding pictures/footage coming out of the area looks bad. Wildfireupdateman (talk) 17:19, 25 October 2024 (UTC)
- LARGE AMOUNT NOT GOOD AMOUNT I DONT MEAN IT LIKE THAT Wildfireupdateman (talk) 18:57, 25 October 2024 (UTC)
- Good job clarifying 😂 –DMartin 17:48, 26 October 2024 (UTC)
- LARGE AMOUNT NOT GOOD AMOUNT I DONT MEAN IT LIKE THAT Wildfireupdateman (talk) 18:57, 25 October 2024 (UTC)
- 'Posted. SpencerT•C 15:27, 26 October 2024 (UTC)
October 22
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[edit]Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): CBS News
Credits:
- Nominated by Wizzito (talk · give credit)
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.
Kentucky state senator wizzito | say hello! 14:05, 24 October 2024 (UTC)
- Comment: Could use additional expansion and referencing. SpencerT•C 15:25, 26 October 2024 (UTC)
(Review needed) RD: Elizabeth Francis
[edit]Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): ABC News
Credits:
- Nominated by 240F:7A:6253:1:D516:C7BA:2F6:16B5 (talk · give credit)
- Created by EytanMelech (talk · give credit)
- Updated by Gianluigi02 (talk · give credit) and Sxg169 (talk · give credit)
Article updated
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Oldest living person in the United States. 240F:7A:6253:1:D516:C7BA:2F6:16B5 (talk) 08:35, 24 October 2024 (UTC)
- Support - Was covered in media & all over social media. Monumental death for gerontology. EytanMelech (talk) 19:03, 24 October 2024 (UTC)
- EytanMelech, what you need to comment on for a recent death posting is whether the article is up to standard. It doesn't matter how many news media are reporting her death; all that matters is article quality. Schwede66 04:30, 25 October 2024 (UTC)
2024 UQ impact
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Blurb: Meteoroid 2024 UQ impacts Earth, becoming the tenth ever asteroid predicted to do so. (Post)
News source(s): EarthSky.org
Credits:
- Updated and nominated by Elios Peredhel (talk · give credit)
Article updated
- Strong oppose on notability and quality. On notability, this is, as you said, the third predicted meteor strike this year alone, and it didn't significantly affect life on the ground. On quality, the article has one paragraph and relies on that single EarthSky source. GeorgeMemulous (talk) 02:22, 24 October 2024 (UTC)
- Oppose, as it only hit earth's atmosphere, "burned up harmlessly on 22 October 2024 above the Pacific Ocean off the coasts of California". However I do think this is a candidate for DYK if it can be expanded given the newness of the article. --Masem (t) 02:28, 24 October 2024 (UTC)
- Strong Oppose Article is a stub. INeedSupport :3 04:11, 24 October 2024 (UTC)
- Oppose The meteoroid is not an asteroid, it did not impact the earth (it burned up in the atmosphere), and the article is a stub. --MtPenguinMonster (talk) 07:44, 24 October 2024 (UTC)
- What impact? HiLo48 (talk) 07:56, 24 October 2024 (UTC)
- Earth's atmosphere is a part of Earth Hence the apostrophe; an attack on one realm is an attack on the whole planet (an impact, anyway). That's not a Support !vote, by the way. Just a comment. InedibleHulk (talk) 08:02, 24 October 2024 (UTC)
- Oppose. The first time astronomers detected a meteoroid just before it impacted Earth (2008 TC3) it generated a bunch of interest and media coverage. But it's now something that happens at least once a year. There was already 2024 BX1 in January, fragments of which were recovered as meteorites. Being the tenth isn't very newsworthy and there's little scientific understanding gained here. The article is a stub and there's little media coverage. Modest Genius talk 12:34, 24 October 2024 (UTC)
(Posted as RD) RD/Blurb: Gustavo Gutiérrez
[edit]Recent deaths nomination
Blurb: Peruvian Catholic theologian Gustavo Gutiérrez, a founder of Latin American liberation theology, dies at the age of 96. (Post)
Alternative blurb: Peruvian Catholic liberation theologian Gustavo Gutiérrez dies at the age of 96.
News source(s): [9], AP
Credits:
- Nominated by Montechill (talk · give credit)
- Updated by TDKR Chicago 101 (talk · give credit)
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.
Peruvian priest and author who was a founder of liberation theology~
— Preceding unsigned comment added by Montechill (talk • contribs) 06:12, 23 October 2024 (UTC)
- Support Looks well sourced. Spanish- and French-language sources for death, hoping to see an English-language one soon. – ClaudineChionh (she/her · talk · contribs · email) 07:03, 23 October 2024 (UTC)
- Comment I added my support yesterday when only RD was proposed –
undecided on blurb. ClaudineChionh (she/her · talk · contribs · email) 01:03, 24 October 2024 (UTC) - Support blurb, looking good. ClaudineChionh (she/her · talk · contribs · email) 06:17, 24 October 2024 (UTC)
- Comment I added my support yesterday when only RD was proposed –
- Support blurb Founder of liberation theology. -TenorTwelve (talk) 08:13, 23 October 2024 (UTC)
- Oppose blurb OLDMANDIES. Not a serving head of state or government. Certainly not a household name. This post was made by orbitalbuzzsaw gang (talk) 15:39, 23 October 2024 (UTC)
- Please quit citing this rationale repeatedly orbitalbuzzsaw, those are not the criteria that we judge for a blurb, per WP:ITNRDBLURB. You have already been informed of this previously by another user. Ornithoptera (talk) 05:33, 25 October 2024 (UTC)
- Everyone has their own reasons for opposing or supporting any blurb, distinct from any posting criteria. And as I've informed everyone repeatedly, "Old Man Dies", "OMD" or "OLDMANDIES" is basically a short of way of saying Criterion 1 is met. The RD section is usually used then. InedibleHulk (talk) 05:40, 25 October 2024 (UTC)
- The issue was not "OLDMANDIES", I am already very familiar with that one. I meant the "Not a serving head of state or government" rationale, that is the concern I am addressing InedibleHulk. Ornithoptera (talk) 05:50, 25 October 2024 (UTC)
- "Those" and "criteria" misled me. InedibleHulk (talk) 06:09, 25 October 2024 (UTC)
- The issue was not "OLDMANDIES", I am already very familiar with that one. I meant the "Not a serving head of state or government" rationale, that is the concern I am addressing InedibleHulk. Ornithoptera (talk) 05:50, 25 October 2024 (UTC)
- Everyone has their own reasons for opposing or supporting any blurb, distinct from any posting criteria. And as I've informed everyone repeatedly, "Old Man Dies", "OMD" or "OLDMANDIES" is basically a short of way of saying Criterion 1 is met. The RD section is usually used then. InedibleHulk (talk) 05:40, 25 October 2024 (UTC)
- Please quit citing this rationale repeatedly orbitalbuzzsaw, those are not the criteria that we judge for a blurb, per WP:ITNRDBLURB. You have already been informed of this previously by another user. Ornithoptera (talk) 05:33, 25 October 2024 (UTC)
- Comment Proposed blurb and added English source.--Sunshineisles2 (talk) 17:13, 23 October 2024 (UTC)
- Oppose on quality as necessary sources are missing for the criticism section, but would support as blurb as the legacy section properly gives sourced reasoning why he and his work was significant in theology studies. Masem (t) 17:34, 23 October 2024 (UTC)
- @Masem: Fixed sourcing issues. Article looks good. TDKR Chicago 101 (talk) 21:26, 23 October 2024 (UTC)
Oppose for now.The criticism section has a "citation required" for a quote. I commented out a picture of Ratzinger as pope in a 1970s context, which came with a lengthy unreferenced and undated fact. If returned, that fact should come in chronological context and with a ref. If Ratzinger acted in the 1970s, then a pic at the time please, or no pic, - or it would be miposleading. Once quality is there, I'd support a blurb: influential worldwide, so more than some state politicians. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 17:52, 23 October 2024 (UTC)- @Gerda Arendt: Fixed article quality issues. Should be good now. TDKR Chicago 101 (talk) 21:27, 23 October 2024 (UTC)
- Support now, and support blurb. Thank you for the changes (which meant reducing). I believe that a crop of the image of him in office would portrait him better as a lead image. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 05:59, 24 October 2024 (UTC)
- @Gerda Arendt: Fixed article quality issues. Should be good now. TDKR Chicago 101 (talk) 21:27, 23 October 2024 (UTC)
Oppose on quality Article needs some ref work before this could get posted.Would support blurb given how he founded the liberation theology and his article does establish his impact/how influential he was. Article looks good now. Legacy section is pretty good too. --TDKR Chicago 101 (talk) 21:02, 23 October 2024 (UTC)- Oppose blurb, blurbs should be reserved for deaths that could support an article on their own. Very recent example: Death of Liam Payne. Abductive (reasoning) 09:43, 24 October 2024 (UTC)
- Support 56 sources so they seem blurb-worthy and their article is in good shape. GeorgeMemulous (talk) 11:40, 24 October 2024 (UTC)
- This needs to be pulled. Counting sources? Abductive (reasoning) 09:32, 25 October 2024 (UTC)
- Just btw, that article is being merged into Liam Payne's page via a pretty consensus discussion, Nobreadsticks (talk) 23:50, 25 October 2024 (UTC)
- Support blurb per all above. Article looks good now. _-_Alsor (talk) 21:53, 24 October 2024 (UTC)
- Blurb posted – Schwede66 04:24, 25 October 2024 (UTC)
- OMD Life was the story here and it still will be when we're looking at this overblown RD (possibly still pictured) next week. InedibleHulk (talk) 05:50, 25 October 2024 (UTC)
- Oppose blurb. No idea why this was posted, the death isn't a story and his stature and prominence clearly don't rise to the usual bar for blurbing. Is it possible for us to have at least a modicum of consistency at ITN?! — Amakuru (talk) 09:04, 25 October 2024 (UTC)
- It's consistent in that a blurb that is non-US, not pop culture, and not in blaring headlines can get posted if they fly under radar with little opposition. There's no written rule on this, but I expect a larger quorum if I was to post a blurb. But good for those who decry systemic bias, I suppose. —Bagumba (talk) 09:56, 25 October 2024 (UTC)
- I don't specifically oppose this blurb but looks pretty ridiculous when people refused to blurb Liam Payne which was the top story in many countries and was an unexpected death. AusLondonder (talk) 11:56, 25 October 2024 (UTC)
- It's consistent in that a blurb that is non-US, not pop culture, and not in blaring headlines can get posted if they fly under radar with little opposition. There's no written rule on this, but I expect a larger quorum if I was to post a blurb. But good for those who decry systemic bias, I suppose. —Bagumba (talk) 09:56, 25 October 2024 (UTC)
- Oppose blurb & pull. I cannot fathom why an obscure theologian has been given a blurb. Neither his article, nor those on liberation theology and Latin American liberation theology, demonstrates any major impact on the world, just some slight tweaks on how the Catholic Church regards and preaches to the poor. That's not the sort of transformative figure that we require for blurbs. His death and funeral are not unusual in their manner or scope. This is exactly the sort of person that RD was introduced for - notable but not blurb-worthy. Modest Genius talk 11:36, 25 October 2024 (UTC)
- Theologians, as academics, are already obscure in terms of how the world covers them. The article had a clear legacy section to explain his importance and demonstrates he was a major figure in theology, which we absolutely should recognize even if the person is relatively obscure to the rest of the world. We're not looking for being transformative at the world stage, but transformative in their field which appears to be demonstrated with the sourcing of the article. Masem (t) 19:45, 25 October 2024 (UTC)
- Pull blurb - seems an unlikely candidate given the usual criteria for a blurb - it's not even a featured or GA, and all the Wikiprojects only rank the article as "mid importance" even within their own fields. Bob talk 11:50, 25 October 2024 (UTC)
- Pull blurb - Counting sources is in no way a justification for blurbing ✈ mike_gigs talkcontribs 13:00, 25 October 2024 (UTC)
- Post-posting support If we're going off of ITN as transformative in their field then Gutierrez deserved a blurb more than Payne or James Earl Jones. As I see it, roughly half of ITN sees transformative in their field as the biggest determining factor for a blurb, which this one meets in my opinion, but the other half sees importance in the eyes of the world or death-as-a-story to be more important. From what I can tell there's no easily-found policy for this and it may just be easier to split off blurb deaths from ITN except in very rare cases (serving heads of states, deaths as a major story, etc.). As it stands, I think the blurb here is justified. GeorgeMemulous (talk) 13:08, 25 October 2024 (UTC)
- He only appears to have been transformative if you make the field extremely narrow e.g. 'Catholic theology in Latin America'. If the field is more appropriately broad, like 'religion', I don't think he reaches that threshold. Modest Genius talk 13:45, 25 October 2024 (UTC)
- I should note there are over 400 million Catholics in Latin America, and Catholic Church in Latin America has a pretty big section towards the end on Liberation Theology. Liberation Theology also has a pretty large and well filled-in footnote topic template for navigation that I think indicates the significance to be blurbed when one of the main faces of it dies. GeorgeMemulous (talk) 15:09, 25 October 2024 (UTC)
- He only appears to have been transformative if you make the field extremely narrow e.g. 'Catholic theology in Latin America'. If the field is more appropriately broad, like 'religion', I don't think he reaches that threshold. Modest Genius talk 13:45, 25 October 2024 (UTC)
- Pull blurb – Article, and those who have supported the blurb, have not demonstrated his legacy or impact. This RD should not have been blurbed with such little participation from editors. Nice4What (talk · contribs) – (Thanks ♥) 15:31, 25 October 2024 (UTC)
- Pull blurb – Oppose per Modest Genius's argument. Bizarre choice for a blurb. — Goszei (talk) 16:49, 25 October 2024 (UTC)
- Post-posting support. Liberation theology is a big thing and he appears to have been transformative in that regard, being named as the "father" of that movement. Clear legacy and impact that justifies a blurb even if not widely known in richer nations. -- Patar knight - chat/contributions 17:00, 25 October 2024 (UTC)
- Pulled. Consensus to post a blurb seemed to have been there but enough of you have since commented to show that’s not the case. I’ll post it as RD instead. Schwede66 17:33, 25 October 2024 (UTC)
- Support blurb. This individual, and his work, is one of the most significant forces in Latin American religious and political life throughout the past half-century. His death is certainly more warranted to be blurbed than many of the anglophone actors whom we have previously featured. — Red-tailed hawk (nest) 18:14, 25 October 2024 (UTC)
- Support blurb. I was happy to finally see someone who's not a US/UK film star getting blurbed, but alas, ignorance looks likely to triumph again. As per Red-tailed hawk, liberation theology was one of most influential forces in 20th c Latin America. Gutierrez therefore certainly merits a blurb. Khuft (talk) 19:29, 25 October 2024 (UTC)
- Support blurb. This should be pretty obvious to an encyclopedist.
- Le Monde 23 Oct mentions his legion d'honneur, Pope Francis' praise (and hence criticism of Jean Paul II for referring to liberation theology as a "deviation")
- La Croix International, 24 Oct "Liberation Christianity had a significant impact across Latin America."
- NYT, 23-24 Oct "The book inspired multitudes in Asia and Africa as well." mentions Oscar Romero as one of the co-founders. "he was recognized as one of most influential theologians of the 20th century"
- El Comercio mentioned on the cover of El Comercio (Peru) 24 October.
- etc., etc. -- SashiRolls 🌿 · 🍥 20:06, 25 October 2024 (UTC)
- Soft oppose I think this entire discussion exemplifies the inconsistency with RD Blurbs that we've been seeing over and over again at ITN. Yes, he is significant and he was an extremely important figure in theology. But is his death currently worldwide headline news? Not in my opinion... he is a 96 year old man who is not a household name. On the other hand, when less socially "impactful" figures who are household names die (like singers and actors), or when there are notable/unusual manners of death (ex: Liam Payne), folks come out of the wood works to argue that only those with higher social impact should get a blurb. The result is a confusing and inconsistent criss cross of the two methodologies for RD Blurbs. We need to agree on a clearer set of criteria and stick to it. FlipandFlopped ツ 20:10, 25 October 2024 (UTC)
(Posted) RD: Fernando Valenzuela
[edit]Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): [10]
Credits:
- Updated and nominated by Muboshgu (talk · give credit)
- Updated by Bagumba (talk · give credit)
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Legendary Dodgers pitcher, days before a Dodgers-Yankees World Series. – Muboshgu (talk) 03:47, 23 October 2024 (UTC)
- Support Sufficiently sourced now and citogenesis in obits cleaned out.—Bagumba (talk) 14:08, 23 October 2024 (UTC)
- The article has only one citation needed tag, for an unsourced paragraph. Otherwise it looks decent and ready. Flibirigit (talk) 18:49, 23 October 2024 (UTC)
- Posted. R.I.P., Fernando. --PFHLai (talk) 18:55, 23 October 2024 (UTC)
Cuban protests, blackout, hurricane
[edit]Blurb: Protests occur across Cuba amid a nationwide electrical blackout and the landfall of Hurricane Oscar. (Post)
Alternative blurb: Protests break out in Cuba after a nationwide electrical blackout and the landfall of Hurricane Oscar.
News source(s): AP
Credits:
- Nominated by GeorgeMemulous (talk · give credit)
- Updated by ElijahPepe (talk · give credit), Vida0007 (talk · give credit), Scu ba (talk · give credit), Borgenland (talk · give credit) and Quxyz (talk · give credit)
Blackout article is a start class but Oscar is alright. Protests themselves aren't nationwide at the moment, but if they grow in scale then the blurb should be rewritten as such to include them. GeorgeMemulous (talk) 16:38, 22 October 2024 (UTC)
- Support concept, oppose quality article is mostly just bullet points, I'll try to cannibalize a background from the last protest article, but right now I wouldn't say it's good enough for ITN inclusion. Scuba 17:44, 22 October 2024 (UTC)
- @Scu ba: Has the blackout article been expanded enough that you’d support a blurb? Blaylockjam10 (talk) 19:17, 25 October 2024 (UTC)
- Support on principle but the articles need some expansion first. Estreyeria (talk) 17:55, 22 October 2024 (UTC)
- @Estreyeria: Has the blackout article been expanded enough that you’d support a blurb? Blaylockjam10 (talk) 19:17, 25 October 2024 (UTC)
- I think putting everything together kinda makes a bit of a mess of things from a blurb perspective. What seems most notable here is the blackout. It's not common that a complete blackout like this happens. DarkSide830 (talk) 18:02, 22 October 2024 (UTC)
- Unfortunately for Cuba it is somewhat common, as I mentioned there where blackouts earlier in the year that also caused protests. Scuba 18:05, 22 October 2024 (UTC)
- There are levels to this sort of thing though. The article itself states "The blackout is the most severe energy crisis that the country has experienced since the dissolution of the Soviet Union in 1991". Personally, I just don't much favor these "x then y" blurbs unless we believe both x and y are notable for ITN themselves. Conflating these three events is only valid for the former two, and I think having a distinct article for the protests themselves would help validate the inclusion of this piece of the blurb as well. DarkSide830 (talk) 18:18, 22 October 2024 (UTC)
- Unfortunately for Cuba it is somewhat common, as I mentioned there where blackouts earlier in the year that also caused protests. Scuba 18:05, 22 October 2024 (UTC)
Wait until the main blackout article has been expanded. As of now, the said article has been improved but it is still a stub. Though just like the nominator, I have no problems with regards to Hurricane Oscar's article. Vida0007 (talk) 00:33, 23 October 2024 (UTC)- @Vida0007: Has the blackout article been expanded enough that you’d support a blurb? Blaylockjam10 (talk) 19:17, 25 October 2024 (UTC)
- Support It still looks a bit short, but it is no longer marked as a stub and has several references now. I think I could support it now. Vida0007 (talk) 01:03, 26 October 2024 (UTC)
- Update: I also added some more sentences and references to the Cuba blackouts article. Vida0007 (talk) 01:38, 28 October 2024 (UTC)
- @Vida0007: Has the blackout article been expanded enough that you’d support a blurb? Blaylockjam10 (talk) 19:17, 25 October 2024 (UTC)
- Merging the blackout and hurricane into one blurb about protests might be a little messy... are they protesting over Hurricane Oscar? Did Hurricane Oscar cause the blackouts? Are the protests related to the blackout or the hurricane? RachelTensions (talk) 01:37, 23 October 2024 (UTC)
- Hurricane Oscar made landfall while the nation was under blackout and much information about Oscar was inaccessible due to it. Protests are surrounding the Cuban government's response. We do have an article on Criticism of the government response to Hurricane Katrina and this is comparable to that in my opinion; I strongly suspect the current death toll of 6 from Oscar is going to sharply rise once the nation comes out of blackout. GeorgeMemulous (talk) 02:06, 23 October 2024 (UTC)
- Support on notability once the article is updated. FlipandFlopped ツ 16:46, 23 October 2024 (UTC)
- @Flipandflopped: Has the blackout article been expanded enough that you’d support a blurb? Blaylockjam10 (talk) 19:17, 25 October 2024 (UTC)
- *Support@Blaylockjam10: article is good enough for ITN now. FlipandFlopped ツ 17:36, 26 October 2024 (UTC)
- @Flipandflopped: Has the blackout article been expanded enough that you’d support a blurb? Blaylockjam10 (talk) 19:17, 25 October 2024 (UTC)
- Strong Support: Becoming a big news. SHould post. Elios Peredhel (talk) 23:26, 23 October 2024 (UTC)
- This needs more votes. Editors say that the article is a stub (it isn't) and that it can be posted once it's been expanded. It looks ok to me, but the support is too thin to do so. Schwede66 04:11, 25 October 2024 (UTC)
- Support but an event infobox would be nice. Abcmaxx (talk) 07:45, 25 October 2024 (UTC)
- Support This is notable enough for a blurb & both bolded articles are good enough to post now. Blaylockjam10 (talk) 08:58, 25 October 2024 (UTC)
- Altblurb proposed now that the blackout's over but still might get blurbed. GeorgeMemulous (talk) 19:21, 25 October 2024 (UTC)
- Support This is important enough for ITN and the quality is good enough. Tradediatalk 07:30, 26 October 2024 (UTC)
- Oppose on quality The article is still lacking on the actual reasons for the blackout. They are briefly mentioned in the lede but do not propagate and expand in the body. --Masem (t) 13:43, 26 October 2024 (UTC)
- Concur with Masem; article could use additional detail in the background section for completion. SpencerT•C 15:29, 26 October 2024 (UTC)
October 21
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RD: Barbara Dane
[edit]Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): The Guardian
Credits:
- Nominated by Thriley (talk · give credit)
Article updated
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Nominator's comments: Death announced 21 October. Thriley (talk) 20:23, 25 October 2024 (UTC)
- Comment: Article could use some copyediting; quotes in lede should be integrated into body of article. SpencerT•C 15:21, 26 October 2024 (UTC)
(Posted) RD: Barbara Kolb
[edit]Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Boosey & Hawkes
Credits:
- Updated and nominated by Grimes2 (talk · give credit)
- Created by Hyacinth (talk · give credit)
- Updated by Gerda Arendt (talk · give credit)
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American composer, first American woman to receive the Rome Prize in composition. Grimes2 (talk) 12:27, 24 October 2024 (UTC)
- added Hyacinth, in memory --Gerda Arendt (talk) 13:13, 24 October 2024 (UTC)
- Posted to RD. SpencerT•C 15:17, 26 October 2024 (UTC)
Conviction of Alejandro Toledo
[edit]Blurb: Former Peruvian president Alejandro Toledo (pictured) is sentenced to twenty years and six months in prison for receiving bribes from Brazilian engineering conglomerate Odebrecht in the Operation Car Wash. (Post)
Alternative blurb: Former Peruvian president Alejandro Toledo (pictured) is sentenced to twenty years and six months in prison for receiving bribes during Operation Car Wash.
News source(s): Reuters
Credits:
- Nominated by ArionStar (talk · give credit)
ArionStar (talk) 02:09, 22 October 2024 (UTC)
- Support in principle, but oppose on quality due to several completely unsourced paragraphs. Operation Car Wash was a major case of gov't corruption and this is the clear point of closure on that. --Masem (t) 02:26, 22 October 2024 (UTC)
- Oppose for now due to CN tags, but strong support in principle. Major case of criminal activity on a top political level politician that is making worldwide headlines. Should I have time, I'll try to find sources to fill in the CN tags. INeedSupport :3 18:34, 22 October 2024 (UTC)
(Closed) Largest known prime
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Blurb: An online volunteer project discovers a new largest known prime number, 2136,279,841 − 1. (Post)
Alternative blurb: A new largest known prime number, 2136,279,841 − 1, is discovered.
Alternative blurb II: Researchers discover that the number 2136,279,841 − 1 is prime, the largest such number found to date.
Credits:
- Nominated by Schoen (talk · give credit)
- Support. Major advancement that doesn't happen every year. High encyclopedic value. 104.171.53.110 (talk) 22:05, 21 October 2024 (UTC) (formerly known as ~AH1)
- Support in Principle - doesn't happen all the time and can diversify our feed on ITN. Provisional oppose based on quality, several unsourced statements, though it's otherwise a WP:B-CLASS article. — Knightoftheswords 22:15, 21 October 2024 (UTC)
- Oppose due to quality Article needs some ref work done. Would support once issues are fixed. --TDKR Chicago 101 (talk) 22:19, 21 October 2024 (UTC)
- Is this "in the news" though? I don't know where this is being reported in news sources. I found information about it here: [11], but that is just a press release. Natg 19 (talk) 22:19, 21 October 2024 (UTC)
- A quick search shows mainstream sources discussing the 2018 largest prime discovery, so I think this is where it will take a good 24 hr before it shows up in news sources. — Masem (t) 22:41, 21 October 2024 (UTC)
- This is fair. I did not want to hastily oppose for this reason. Natg 19 (talk) 22:43, 21 October 2024 (UTC)
- Will probably be a front page splash.... Martinevans123 (talk) 14:18, 22 October 2024 (UTC)
- This is fair. I did not want to hastily oppose for this reason. Natg 19 (talk) 22:43, 21 October 2024 (UTC)
- Oppose per Natg, and also because this is a routine occurrence - it's already known that there are infinitely many primes, and identifying specific large ones is simply a matter of patience and brute force. Unless this own has some interesting properties (beyond being a Mersenne Prime), I don't think this is particularly exciting. GenevieveDEon (talk) 22:28, 21 October 2024 (UTC)
- Oppose I personally love this kind of stuff, but it's something we expect to happen from time to time, and it's therefore not a significant news event. HiLo48 (talk) 22:44, 21 October 2024 (UTC)
- ITN covers expected events all the time, e.g. elections and sports events. On the other hand, nobody knows exactly when the next largest prime number will be found (if at all – one day we'll find the last one we're ever going to find). AVDLCZ (talk) 02:55, 22 October 2024 (UTC)
- Wait for news coverage. If organizations cover it, support altblurb2. Notable discovery, and the first in 6 years. Article looks alright. -insert valid name here- (talk) 22:57, 21 October 2024 (UTC)
- Support it is a very significant event in terms of the advancement of mathematics. Rager7 (talk) 00:09, 22 October 2024 (UTC)
- Oppose. Besides being interesting and an impressive discovery from a process perspective, I don't see the real impact and significance of this dicsovery. DarkSide830 (talk) 00:24, 22 October 2024 (UTC)
- Oppose. This is the fifth time a new highest prime number has been found since 2013. If it was less frequent I'd consider it more notable. ~~ Jessintime (talk) 02:23, 22 October 2024 (UTC)
- Support if news sources pick this up. New largest known prime number after almost 6 years is certainly not too routine for ITN. AVDLCZ (talk) 02:48, 22 October 2024 (UTC)
- Oppose DYK candidate This post was made by orbitalbuzzsaw gang (talk) 07:19, 22 October 2024 (UTC)
- Support mathematical discoveries are quite rare. Abcmaxx (talk) 07:20, 22 October 2024 (UTC)
- Oppose. As far as I can tell, there's no peer-reviewed paper describing this discovery, so all we have is a press release from the team running the search. A paper is required. Also, there's no mainstream media coverage (yet?) and the article updates are just a few numbers updated and an entry in the table. If this was a significant piece of mathematics there should be more to say about it than that. At present it seems to be a mere curio or piece of trivia. DYK would be a better venue than ITN, if the was a suitable new article or expansion of the list. Modest Genius talk 10:46, 22 October 2024 (UTC)
- Oppose, it happens too often, like six times in last ~10 years, though the recent gap was a bit longer. Also, the target article is kind of general. --Tone 11:01, 22 October 2024 (UTC)
- Oppose. As others have noted, the result is unpublished and there has been virtually no news coverage. Moreover, the result has no mathematical significance (there are infinitely many primes), and no prospective practical applications in the foreseeable future. Prime numbers are used in cryptography, particularly for the RSA cryptosystem, but the ones that have practical use are much much smaller in bit size than this new one. Nsk92 (talk) 12:44, 22 October 2024 (UTC)
- Strong Oppose - A prime prerequisite for any nomination on ITN is the existence of news coverage. The apparent paucity of non-primary reliable sources in the proposed nom fares very poorly for this post's prospects. Duly signed, ⛵ WaltClipper -(talk) 13:54, 22 October 2024 (UTC)
- Weak oppose (with free next-day delivery) Is that number close to Jeff Bezos' latest salary?? Martinevans123 (talk) 14:02, 22 October 2024 (UTC)
- "The real measure of your wealth is how much you’d be worth if you lost all your money."
- - Unknown source (Disclosure: This post was created with the aid of ChatGPT o1-mini) Duly signed, ⛵ WaltClipper -(talk) 14:13, 22 October 2024 (UTC)
- Oppose "Man does maths on computer". This is news? The C of E God Save the King! (talk) 15:29, 22 October 2024 (UTC)
- Actually found by CHIMPS, it seems. Martinevans123 (talk) 15:34, 22 October 2024 (UTC)
RD: Paul Di'Anno
[edit]Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): New York Daily News,BBC
Credits:
- Nominated by Pharaoh of the Wizards (talk · give credit)
- Updated by Cambalachero (talk · give credit), Sunshineisles2 (talk · give credit) and FMSky (talk · give credit)
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.
English heavy metal singer .Needs some work.Pharaoh of the Wizards (talk) 18:45, 21 October 2024 (UTC)
2024 ICC Women's T20 World Cup final
[edit]Blurb: In cricket, the Women's T20 World Cup concludes with New Zealand defeating South Africa in the final (player of the final Amelia Kerr pictured). (Post)
Alternative blurb: In cricket, New Zealand wins their maiden Women's T20 World Cup title after defeating South Africa in the final (player of the final Amelia Kerr pictured).
Credits:
- Nominated by Vestrian24Bio (talk · give credit)
- Updated by PEditorS10 (talk · give credit), Kumarpramit (talk · give credit), MNWiki845 (talk · give credit), Vestrian24Bio (talk · give credit) and Goodknowme (talk · give credit)
Article updated
We have both Men's and Women's ODI WC at the ITN/R and Men's T20WC as well. Given it had same sort of notability Women's T20WC should be included in the ITN/R as well. Vestrian24Bio (TALK) 16:53, 21 October 2024 (UTC)
- Oppose on quality a short paragraph on each innings isn't enough to meet WP:ITNQUALITY. If quality is fixed, consider this a support vote on notability. Joseph2302 (talk) 18:11, 21 October 2024 (UTC)
- Oppose Non-ITN sports (of which there are far too many; IMO there should one (1), the World Cup final) . Not global news. Let's not clog up the front page with more needless sports trivia This post was made by orbitalbuzzsaw gang (talk) 07:21, 22 October 2024 (UTC)
- Oppose. I applaud the drive for better gender equality in sport, and cricket has made big strides in that over recent years. However women's T20I gets a small fraction of the attention that men's T20I does, even more so than the contrast in ODIs. That applies in terms of media coverage, TV audience, in-person spectators, prize money, number of teams etc. For a stark illustration, compare Google searches for 'T20 world cup" in June, when the men's event occurred, vs October when the women's was happening [12]. FWIW, I supported adding the women's ODI world cup to ITNR - that continues to be the highest profile event in women's cricket. If we were to add a second women's cricket item I think the Women's Premier League has a better claim than the WT20 World Cup, though is very new so difficult to assess. Modest Genius talk 16:09, 22 October 2024 (UTC)
- Oppose Too much sports content on ITN. Tradediatalk 07:38, 26 October 2024 (UTC)
(Posted) 2024 Moldovan European Union membership referendum
[edit]Blurb: Moldova votes to amend the constitution to include the aim of becoming a future EU member. (Post)
News source(s): Reuters
Credits:
- Created and nominated by BastianMAT (talk · give credit)
- Updated by Borgenland (talk · give credit)
Article updated
Moldovans have voted to include the EU membership in the constitution, although this doesn’t mean they become EU member tomorrow, its significant. Important to note in the blurb that the yes vote doesn’t mean EU membership but the constitution being amended to aim for it. BastianMAT (talk) 06:03, 21 October 2024 (UTC)
- Oppose: I see your point about the significance, but I think until Moldova actually joins the EU, it's not suitable for ITN. APK hi :-) (talk) 06:58, 21 October 2024 (UTC)
- Oppose - Country deciding whether to begin joining the EU is not notable in of itself, when/if Moldova actually joins (long way away due to Transnistria issue) then we can post PrecariousWorlds (talk) 07:30, 21 October 2024 (UTC)
- Don't forget Gaguazia who have already said they'd go the way of Transnistria...and after the incumbent's repression, it seems more likely.2A00:F3C:A282:0:EC70:31F1:7740:DC70 (talk) 09:52, 21 October 2024 (UTC)
- If some crisis happens with Gaguazia like in 1991 then that's obviously notable but right now there's no indication of this happening PrecariousWorlds (talk) 17:52, 21 October 2024 (UTC)
- Are we sure Transnistria is going to remain as their role model in the future? [13] Super Ψ Dro 23:50, 21 October 2024 (UTC)
- Don't forget Gaguazia who have already said they'd go the way of Transnistria...and after the incumbent's repression, it seems more likely.2A00:F3C:A282:0:EC70:31F1:7740:DC70 (talk) 09:52, 21 October 2024 (UTC)
- Oppose "Country changes constitution to say they'd like to join a political union". Not really headline news. If they ever join, that's a different matter but just expressing a desire to join is no different from the UK saying they'd like to "reset" their relationship with the EU. The C of E God Save the King! (talk) 08:24, 21 October 2024 (UTC)
- The UK isn't in the Russian sphere on influence. It's very different. Secretlondon (talk) 08:28, 21 October 2024 (UTC)
- Try telling Dawn Sturgess that. Martinevans123 (talk) 09:39, 21 October 2024 (UTC)
- The UK doesn't have a part of it's country de facto occupied by Russia nor is it that close. Abcmaxx (talk) 10:57, 21 October 2024 (UTC)
- Agree. So, in this context, a change to the country's constitution might be seen as far more significant. Martinevans123 (talk) 11:00, 21 October 2024 (UTC)
- I dunno, tell that to all the oligarchs with pied a terres in central London... --Slowking Man (talk) 17:30, 21 October 2024 (UTC)
- The UK doesn't have a part of it's country de facto occupied by Russia nor is it that close. Abcmaxx (talk) 10:57, 21 October 2024 (UTC)
- Try telling Dawn Sturgess that. Martinevans123 (talk) 09:39, 21 October 2024 (UTC)
- The UK isn't in the Russian sphere on influence. It's very different. Secretlondon (talk) 08:28, 21 October 2024 (UTC)
- Support I'm baffled how anyone can oppose this; we sure posted UK's Brexit referendum how is this any different? Russia wasn't carving up Europe and threatening NATO back then either, at least not to such an extent. Abcmaxx (talk) 08:57, 21 October 2024 (UTC)
- Since they chose to leave. A decision that was in their hands. Moldova admission in the EU is not in their hands. Baffling how that is not clear. Posting this is like posting any referendum from any state. Ergo, clearly oppose.2A00:F3C:A282:0:EC70:31F1:7740:DC70 (talk) 09:48, 21 October 2024 (UTC)
- And they can choose to join too. They can choose to meet all the criteria and work with the EU and be a part of it. Life changes significantly for the whole country and its population with such a decision. Abcmaxx (talk) 10:56, 21 October 2024 (UTC)
- If it were the case that the EU said to Moldova, "you can join but only after you amend your constitution to allow that, and then you'd be in", then that would be the reason to post. However, no process has been started at the EU side for the joining. There's a major step to accept their request to join. — Masem (t) 11:59, 21 October 2024 (UTC)
- A democratic mandate is a major step in joining though, no country has so far joined the EU where the majority of people did not favour it as far as I'm aware, and most candidate nations did hold some kind democratic exercise to get approval for joining from the wider public. Abcmaxx (talk) 13:01, 21 October 2024 (UTC)
- " A slim majority of 50.39% voted "yes" in Moldova's crunch referendum on European Union accession... " per the linked article. Also, this is only an indication that the country will want to be in the EU in its constitution, it doesn't initiate at processes with the EU yet. The country will still have to formally apply, and the EU formally approve. Masem (t) 13:28, 21 October 2024 (UTC)
- A democratic mandate is a major step in joining though, no country has so far joined the EU where the majority of people did not favour it as far as I'm aware, and most candidate nations did hold some kind democratic exercise to get approval for joining from the wider public. Abcmaxx (talk) 13:01, 21 October 2024 (UTC)
- If it were the case that the EU said to Moldova, "you can join but only after you amend your constitution to allow that, and then you'd be in", then that would be the reason to post. However, no process has been started at the EU side for the joining. There's a major step to accept their request to join. — Masem (t) 11:59, 21 October 2024 (UTC)
- And they can choose to join too. They can choose to meet all the criteria and work with the EU and be a part of it. Life changes significantly for the whole country and its population with such a decision. Abcmaxx (talk) 10:56, 21 October 2024 (UTC)
- Since they chose to leave. A decision that was in their hands. Moldova admission in the EU is not in their hands. Baffling how that is not clear. Posting this is like posting any referendum from any state. Ergo, clearly oppose.2A00:F3C:A282:0:EC70:31F1:7740:DC70 (talk) 09:48, 21 October 2024 (UTC)
- Support, both referendums and constitutional changes seem reasonable ITN news features, bars such as joining the EU are unworkably high-impact events. Article seems well-referenced. CMD (talk) 09:34, 21 October 2024 (UTC)
- So a vote in Moldova is going to get them into the EU when? Do they get to decide so?2A00:F3C:A282:0:EC70:31F1:7740:DC70 (talk) 09:49, 21 October 2024 (UTC)
- I don't understand how this is related to my comment. CMD (talk) 09:50, 21 October 2024 (UTC)
- So a vote in Moldova is going to get them into the EU when? Do they get to decide so?2A00:F3C:A282:0:EC70:31F1:7740:DC70 (talk) 09:49, 21 October 2024 (UTC)
- Support Seems newsworthy. Martinevans123 (talk) 09:40, 21 October 2024 (UTC)
- Support - Very like the Brexit referendum (but facing the other way) - this provides a clear statement of national intent with a verifiable source, on a subject which may take a very long time to come to maturity. Waiting for EU accession isn't sensible; this is the story right now. (I don't believe that either constitutional amendments or national referendums should automatically be posted to ITN, but they definitely deserve serious consideration, and this one clears the bar for me.) GenevieveDEon (talk) 10:25, 21 October 2024 (UTC)
- Oppose Because this action needs agreement by the EU body before joining can actually happen, this is far too soon to post. Comparison to Brexit is bad because there, the only action that needed to be taken was the vote by the people to withdraw from the EU, no EU action was necessary as a second step to allow for them to leave. --Masem (t) 12:01, 21 October 2024 (UTC)
- The EU did need to undertake actions in order to facilitate Brexit, the UK didn't just take off and leave, it was/still is an incredibly slow and complex process. Abcmaxx (talk) 13:03, 21 October 2024 (UTC)
- errrrmm.... was it ever properly finished?? Martinevans123 (talk) 13:10, 21 October 2024 (UTC)
- The vote by the UK ppl was the point of no return. While there is formal steps required to have an agreement between the EU and UK on leaving, no action the EU would have stopped it, at worst, the EU/UK could have ended without any formal agreement post brexit in place. In this case, the EU must still formally approve the membership, so there is at least one more step thst will be ITN worthy, and we usually wait until that point of no return to post stories like this. Masem (t) 13:21, 21 October 2024 (UTC)
- There is a point of return, the UK can apply to rejoin at any moment. The same way if Moldova approves this constitutional change it can unapprove such a decision in another referendum should it wish to do so at a later date. Brexit shows you can join or leave if a country wishes to do so, however neither is immediate nor permanent. Abcmaxx (talk) 14:29, 21 October 2024 (UTC)
- This is completely untrue. The Brexit referendum was indicative rather than binding. The point of no return was the invocation of Article 50 in 2017. Similarly, this provision in Moldova is permissive rather than definitive - only an invitation from the EU and its subsequent acceptance would be binding. But like the Brexit referendum itself, this (quite narrowly) indicates a national direction of travel and sets a national and international policy agenda. And so I consider it highly newsworthy for the same reason. GenevieveDEon (talk) 15:01, 21 October 2024 (UTC)
- The EU did need to undertake actions in order to facilitate Brexit, the UK didn't just take off and leave, it was/still is an incredibly slow and complex process. Abcmaxx (talk) 13:03, 21 October 2024 (UTC)
- Support- in the news, covered by NYT, CNN, The Kyiv Independent, Politico, The Guardian, WaPo, Le Monde, among others; many of those sites having multiple articles on the topic. Very clearly in the news. Abusing WP:CRYSTAL just opens the floodgates for not having anything on ITN, since you could argue that nothing can be posted since there's a chance that nothing will happen. IMHO, even if Moldova doesn't join the EU, this is still a big step and notable contemporary news story with a decent article that can be highlighted on the main page and interest readers searching for the topic or who are unaware. It would be better for us to have posted on ITN the results of this referendum even if Moldova doesn't join the EU than for us to have not posted it if Moldova did actually formally join.
- Also totally agree with the folks making Brexit comparisons; you could have easily argued that we didn't know if Brexit was going to amount to anything as well (look at how convoluted and drawn out the actual leave process was). More evidence of the decline of grounded quality measures on this part of the MP over the past decade. — Knightoftheswords 12:52, 21 October 2024 (UTC)
- Support very newsworthy, especially with the Pro-Russian camp openly cheating, and still losing. Scuba 13:12, 21 October 2024 (UTC)
- Support With every nomination we see blanket opposition to posting just about any news. This is getting ridiculous. What's the point of ITN? We have a decent article, it's a national-level, constitutional referendum. It's in the news. I actually fail to understand what credible argument could possibly be against including this. If and when they ultimately join us utterly irrelevant. AusLondonder (talk) 13:22, 21 October 2024 (UTC)
- Support This constitutional amendment is not only a change in the wording of Moldova's Carta Magna, but the submission of future governments to Europeanist aspirations and the elevation of these aspirations to a question of State in a country constantly threatened by Putin lately, which has a conflictive region on its borders (Transnistria) and which in recent years has aspired as never before to become part of the European bloc. Whether or not it finally joins the EU, which will not be possible in the short or medium term, is not decisive for the notoriety of this referendum. The article is in good condition, it is a news that opens covers in the international news sections and it is a historic result at regional level and important for other countries such as Georgia, Armenia or Bosnia. _-_Alsor (talk) 13:48, 21 October 2024 (UTC)
- Support for most of the world, referendums are not a common event. Banedon (talk) 14:06, 21 October 2024 (UTC)
- Support I sympathize with the gist of the oppose argument, and I actually agree that there is nothing inherently notable about a referendum of this sort. In this specific case, however, there is a higher degree of news coverage and notability because of the realpolitik and geopolitical implications of Moldova specifically gravitating towards western influence. Moldova is a former SSR. This move could have ramifications for Russian foreign policy towards the rest of Eastern Europe beyond Ukraine - and so, the news is covering it, as should we. FlipandFlopped ツ 16:30, 21 October 2024 (UTC)
- Support This is a pro-Western result in a country that experiences a lot of Russian influence & it’s being covered in a lot of reliable sources. Blaylockjam10 (talk) 17:32, 21 October 2024 (UTC)
- So wiki is a langley propaganda outlet?2A00:F3C:A282:0:E9:3397:700C:5AD1 (talk) 14:28, 22 October 2024 (UTC)
- I think I am swayed by the arguments in support: just think it's important the blurb doesn't mislead readers (many who will read only the blurb that's it) and is clear this isn't the Official Formal Important Big-Time Start to a formal process, but essentially a statement of aspiration. Also whew, given that vote tally I think "narrowly vote" is definitely called for here. When you're reporting a 50% tally with two decimal places, for a two-option ballot question, that's about as close as elections get. Again, here I think not conveying that information of "very close result" in blurb has potential to mislead—it is very very well-known in journalism that often the majority of people only read headlines, so be certain to put anything you for-sure-no-joke want conveyed, in that headline. Also also, E. Europe topics are ah one of those Controversial Topic Areas w/ plenty of WP history around them so more eyes watching such areas when they show up on Main always good (are there any sanctions currently affecting this, asking for self and general awareness) --Slowking Man (talk) 17:45, 21 October 2024 (UTC)
- Support clearly in the news and significant enough. Joseph2302 (talk) 18:09, 21 October 2024 (UTC)
- Oppose Moldova was already accepted as a candidate for EU membership and so this event doesn't change much. It's mostly internal politics, trying to lock in the current trajectory. If the opposition parties were to take power then this constitutional amendment still couldn't force them to continue the process of membership against their will. Andrew🐉(talk) 18:15, 21 October 2024 (UTC)
- Turkey has been an official candidate since 1999 and started applying as far back as 1959 yet they haven't taken any steps towards membership such as a popular vote. Abcmaxx (talk) 18:43, 21 October 2024 (UTC)
- yes, they have -- see 2010 Turkish constitutional referendum. It doesn't appear that that was posted at ITN. And, despite it being passed, Turkey is still not a member. Andrew🐉(talk) 19:02, 21 October 2024 (UTC)
- Remember what you were doing fourteen years ago? I hope part of that time was spent participating in that key ITN/C discussion on the 2010 Turkish constitutional referendum, whose outcome the users back then knew damn well would establish an earth-shattering, long-standing precedence for what to post on ITN for many, many years to come. Duly signed, ⛵ WaltClipper -(talk) 19:20, 21 October 2024 (UTC)
- I was going by the article's talk page, which doesn't have an ITN notice. But checking further, I find that the Turkish referendum was posted at ITN -- see Wikipedia:In the news/Candidates/September 2010#Turkish constitutional referendum, 2010. But here we are 14 years later and Turkey is still not a member. Myself, I was otherwise engaged, creating Alison Wolf, Baroness Wolf of Dulwich. Andrew🐉(talk) 19:33, 21 October 2024 (UTC)
- I'm sure Alison will be eternally grateful. Looking forward to posting "Turkey joins the EU", when it happens (wolves permitting, of course). Martinevans123 (talk) 21:28, 21 October 2024 (UTC)
- I was going by the article's talk page, which doesn't have an ITN notice. But checking further, I find that the Turkish referendum was posted at ITN -- see Wikipedia:In the news/Candidates/September 2010#Turkish constitutional referendum, 2010. But here we are 14 years later and Turkey is still not a member. Myself, I was otherwise engaged, creating Alison Wolf, Baroness Wolf of Dulwich. Andrew🐉(talk) 19:33, 21 October 2024 (UTC)
- Remember what you were doing fourteen years ago? I hope part of that time was spent participating in that key ITN/C discussion on the 2010 Turkish constitutional referendum, whose outcome the users back then knew damn well would establish an earth-shattering, long-standing precedence for what to post on ITN for many, many years to come. Duly signed, ⛵ WaltClipper -(talk) 19:20, 21 October 2024 (UTC)
- yes, they have -- see 2010 Turkish constitutional referendum. It doesn't appear that that was posted at ITN. And, despite it being passed, Turkey is still not a member. Andrew🐉(talk) 19:02, 21 October 2024 (UTC)
- Turkey has been an official candidate since 1999 and started applying as far back as 1959 yet they haven't taken any steps towards membership such as a popular vote. Abcmaxx (talk) 18:43, 21 October 2024 (UTC)
- Support Regardless of the outcome, it is notable in European and Moldovan politics and history. If Moldova succeeds in joining then it would be a new addition to the EU membership. If it fails, then it starts the precedent of Moldova attempts of joining the European Union. Rager7 (talk) 21:31, 21 October 2024 (UTC)
- No, it hasn't started anything. See Accession of Moldova to the European Union. That started with an application in 2022 and formal negotiations started in June 2024. There are six structural reforms required by the EU. Changing the constitution isn't one of them. Andrew🐉(talk) 22:42, 21 October 2024 (UTC)
- Support key referendum that, had it failed, could have unexpectedly shaken the legitimacy of the current government that had been doing well in the polls. Moldova is a country widely described by international observers as between the West and Russia. This was an important event in regional geopolitics. I find the following quote related to the latter interesting: "Georgia is watching Moldova and if the West fails in Chișinău, Tbilisi is next" [Georgia is having a parliamentary election this Saturday]. The referendum is even more notable with the allegations of Russian interference. And lastly I think it's just interesting that the vote ended with such a narrow result, which challenged all expectations and had an insanely uncertain counting up until the last moments. Super Ψ Dro 23:28, 21 October 2024 (UTC)
- Based on my last point, and agreeing with much of what Slowking Man said, I think we should reflect how close the vote was in the blurb. It could be enough to simply add "narrowly" before "votes". Even the narrow victory has implications for the current government as an overwhelming victory was widely expected. BastianMAT, what do you think? Super Ψ Dro 23:48, 21 October 2024 (UTC)
- You certainly make a good point, I added an alt blurb with the word narrowly now, but it is up to the community to decide as the most important is that we convey the result of the referendum: that a constitutional amendment will be made. BastianMAT (talk) 14:42, 22 October 2024 (UTC)
- Based on my last point, and agreeing with much of what Slowking Man said, I think we should reflect how close the vote was in the blurb. It could be enough to simply add "narrowly" before "votes". Even the narrow victory has implications for the current government as an overwhelming victory was widely expected. BastianMAT, what do you think? Super Ψ Dro 23:48, 21 October 2024 (UTC)
- Posted Stephen 02:00, 22 October 2024 (UTC)
- Oppose and pull per APK, Precarious Worlds and others above. Not remotely a significant story for ITN. If and when they join, that's when we'd post this. — Amakuru (talk) 08:17, 22 October 2024 (UTC)
- There's clear consensus to post. ITN is for profiling articles in the news. A national constitutional referendum with a good article. That's perfect for ITN. AusLondonder (talk) 08:52, 22 October 2024 (UTC)
- If you count votes, you don't count votes, the merits of the arguements matter. Like that one above who said it is "pro-western against russia".2A00:F3C:A282:0:E9:3397:700C:5AD1 (talk) 14:29, 22 October 2024 (UTC)
- Well, Russia didn't want it to happen. And when it did happen, they tried their best to steal the result. So if the extra tiny bit of publicity on the Main page here means we're "anti-Russian", so be it. Martinevans123 (talk) 14:47, 22 October 2024 (UTC)
- If you count votes, you don't count votes, the merits of the arguements matter. Like that one above who said it is "pro-western against russia".2A00:F3C:A282:0:E9:3397:700C:5AD1 (talk) 14:29, 22 October 2024 (UTC)
- Pull - Amakuru's rationale has swayed me, I believe this posting was too premature. Duly signed, ⛵ WaltClipper -(talk) 17:23, 22 October 2024 (UTC)
- Pull Moldova is in the screening phase of the negotiation process of joining the EU, so this constitutional amendment isn’t really a major shift in country’s politics. It’s just a nominal confirmation of what the current government has been doing over the past few years.--Kiril Simeonovski (talk) 20:18, 22 October 2024 (UTC)
- Post-posting support - Very significant national referendum, especially with the ongoing Russian terrorist activity in part of the country and misinformation. And besides, as noted above, the precedent was set for a similar vote that was done in Turkey. Nfitz (talk) 02:17, 23 October 2024 (UTC)
- Pull. I have just seen this discussion now that it's been posted to the main page, and it's hard to understand how. This is at best too soon. If the Gambia held a referendum to amend its constitution and make a goal of building a suspension bridge on Jupiter, hopefully we wouldn't post that to the front page before they even leave Earth's orbit. The linked Reuters article says this is also part of the Moldovan presidential elections, there's still a runoff in a couple weeks between a "pro-EU" and "pro-Russia" candidate. As Kiril Simeonovski says the amendment is a continuation of policy under the current government, plans for accession did not start due to the referendum. Rate of progress on accession would likely be determined more so by the outcome of the runoff than the amendment itself. NICHOLAS NEEDLEHAM (talk) 12:32, 23 October 2024 (UTC)
- So if Alexandr Stoianoglo gets in, we'll just see another referendum to change the constitution back again? Martinevans123 (talk) 12:41, 23 October 2024 (UTC)
- You'd have to ask him yourself, but the article states he "boycotted Sunday's referendum, calling it a ruse to boost Sandu's re-election bid." It's a safe bet that the significance of the referendum might be interpreted differently depending on the winner of the runoff. So I'm really not sure how this story has been put on the main page. If/when Moldova becomes an EU member, that's definitely noteworthy news for the main page, but currently it's a nothingburger. NICHOLAS NEEDLEHAM (talk) 14:50, 23 October 2024 (UTC)
- I'll try and squeeze Alexandr in, before he gets bogged down in printing ballot papers. Maybe Europa Clipper could take a few snaps for those plucky Gambians? Martinevans123 (talk) 15:03, 23 October 2024 (UTC)
- You'd have to ask him yourself, but the article states he "boycotted Sunday's referendum, calling it a ruse to boost Sandu's re-election bid." It's a safe bet that the significance of the referendum might be interpreted differently depending on the winner of the runoff. So I'm really not sure how this story has been put on the main page. If/when Moldova becomes an EU member, that's definitely noteworthy news for the main page, but currently it's a nothingburger. NICHOLAS NEEDLEHAM (talk) 14:50, 23 October 2024 (UTC)
- So if Alexandr Stoianoglo gets in, we'll just see another referendum to change the constitution back again? Martinevans123 (talk) 12:41, 23 October 2024 (UTC)
- Oppose and pull per above. This is barely being covered by international media, it's buried somewhere in between BRICS and climate change impacting butterflies. Kcmastrpc (talk) 15:00, 23 October 2024 (UTC)
- That is just not true, it's headline news across Europe Abcmaxx (talk) 08:09, 24 October 2024 (UTC)
- Post-posting support – Referendum notable for its allege Russian interference and the reshaping of pro-West dynamics within Moldova and other EU aspirants. Nice4What (talk · contribs) – (Thanks ♥) 15:38, 25 October 2024 (UTC)
- Post-posting support This has geostrategic significance and deserves to be included in ITN. Tradediatalk 07:44, 26 October 2024 (UTC)
- Pull. Not notable. If they had actually taken steps (and had them approved/began on the EU's side as well), that may be notable to post. But a country merely saying they want to do something is not notable. Not even if they amend their constitution to reflect that desire. -bɜ:ʳkənhɪmez | me | talk to me! 07:47, 26 October 2024 (UTC)
- Don't pull No reason to pull, decent article and in the news. Pawnkingthree (talk) 11:11, 26 October 2024 (UTC)
- Pull - we're really posting a story about a country's aim to TRY to do something in the future? Talk about premature, jeez. --TorsodogTalk 16:08, 26 October 2024 (UTC)
- No, it actually happened, on 20 October. Russia nearly stole the result. Or should we all just look the other way and pretend they didn't. Martinevans123 (talk) 16:14, 26 October 2024 (UTC)
- No, they did not become a European Union member state.--TorsodogTalk 00:14, 27 October 2024 (UTC)
- No, it actually happened, on 20 October. Russia nearly stole the result. Or should we all just look the other way and pretend they didn't. Martinevans123 (talk) 16:14, 26 October 2024 (UTC)
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(Review needed) RD: Peter L. Nissen
[edit]Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Memorial
Credits:
- Nominated by Oceanh (talk · give credit)
Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.
Norwegian aviator and businessperson, turned 100 in January. Life and career seems to be adequately sourced, some sources are offline. Oceanh (talk) 23:44, 23 October 2024 (UTC)
- It looks like this is probably good enough to post. 107.115.33.41 (talk) 07:20, 28 October 2024 (UTC)
(Ready) RD: Fethullah Gülen
[edit]Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): ReutersWashington Post
Credits:
- Nominated by Pharaoh of the Wizards (talk · give credit)
- Updated by TDKR Chicago 101 (talk · give credit)
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.
Turkish Muslim scholar. Article says died on Sunday.Pharaoh of the Wizards (talk) 06:47, 21 October 2024 (UTC)
- Support on notability. Shadow4dark (talk) 08:54, 21 October 2024 (UTC)
- Could one argue that this deserves a blurb? Not sure myself. QueensanditsCrazy (talk) 12:41, 21 October 2024 (UTC)
- Support RD, oppose blurb all the 2016 allegations remain that, allegations. Scuba 13:43, 21 October 2024 (UTC)
- I think he is well-known in TR, and not that much outside of it, not someone I'd immediately think of as "oh yeah obvious RD blurb", but I'm plenty willing to listen to contrary arguments Slowking Man (talk) 17:50, 21 October 2024 (UTC)
- Support RD Major figure in Turkey in past decade.--A bit iffy (talk) 20:24, 21 October 2024 (UTC)
- Orange-tagged for need of a "cleanup rewrite". --205.189.58.84 (talk) 00:37, 22 October 2024 (UTC)
- Kakurokuna tagged it in 2017 with the edit summary "starts strong but then really tapers off."[14] It needs to be resolved or make an editorial decisio to remove the tag if it's no longer applicable. —Bagumba (talk) 05:44, 22 October 2024 (UTC)
- I've removed the tag upon reading the article in its current state. Thanks for tagging me. Kakurokuna (talk) 08:51, 23 October 2024 (UTC)
- Kakurokuna tagged it in 2017 with the edit summary "starts strong but then really tapers off."[14] It needs to be resolved or make an editorial decisio to remove the tag if it's no longer applicable. —Bagumba (talk) 05:44, 22 October 2024 (UTC)
- Hold RD for quality reasons. Oppose blurb - not a serving political leader. OLDMANDIES. This post was made by orbitalbuzzsaw gang (talk) 07:22, 22 October 2024 (UTC)
- Looks ready to me. Schwede66 16:15, 24 October 2024 (UTC)
- Support RD, oppose blurb as he was not a leader of a sovereign nation or political group.
- JohnAdams1800 (talk) 14:48, 26 October 2024 (UTC)
- Can you Please take a look.Pharaoh of the Wizards (talk) 16:44, 26 October 2024 (UTC)
- Support Looks ready. Thriley (talk) 17:44, 27 October 2024 (UTC)
- It looks like this is probably good enough to post. 107.115.33.41 (talk) 07:20, 28 October 2024 (UTC)
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