Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Suisei (mythology)

This page is an archive of the discussion about the proposed deletion of the article below. This page is no longer live. Further comments should be made on the article's talk page rather than here so that this page is preserved as an historic record.
The result of the debate was - kept - SimonP 14:48, Jun 18, 2005 (UTC)

Suisei (mythology)

Contents is "Suisei (水星) is a figure of Japanese mythology and is the messenger god. This is also the Japanese name for the planet Mercury." I believe the "figure of Japanese mythology" part is incorrect, coming from Mercury being a messenger god in Greek mythology. "Suisei" means water star, Japanese planets mostly take their name from "elements" like water, wood, fire etc, not from mythical beings. Kappa 00:54, 5 Jun 2005 (UTC)

After more content has been added, this article should now be merged or kept in my opinion. Kappa 21:13, 6 Jun 2005 (UTC)

Keep but edit let's just remove that part and add more information.Sasquatch′↔Talk↔Contributions 01:31, Jun 5, 2005 (UTC)
Delete --- No, you can't save the article by removing controversial facts. That leaves you with "Suisei is the Japanese name for the planet Mercury" and I don't see an article in that. ¶ Incidentally, this myth-myth is also on List of geological features on Mercury. Makes you wonder if there isn't some general misunderstanding. It does so happen that the Japanese name for Wednesday is Suiyobi (water day). The Japanese didn't start using a 7-day week until they opened up to the West in the 1870s. So this might be a nod to the fact that Wednesday is Dies Mercurii in Latin. Perhaps Suisei is the Japanese name for a western god? ----Isaac R 03:42, 5 Jun 2005 (UTC)
Delete. Japanese names for the first five planets were adopted from Chinese. (The more recently discovered planets are a different story). Search of 水星 turns up only the planet, or discussion of Western mythology. Same findings at ja:水星. --Tabor 04:08, 5 Jun 2005 (UTC)
Delete unverifiable. JamesBurns 04:31, 5 Jun 2005 (UTC)
Delete unless someone who actually knows something about Japanese mythology is willing to defend it with reputable cites. Somehow I don't see that happening. Schmeitgeist 22:28, Jun 5, 2005 (UTC)
My username is the Chinese/Japanese name for the planet Mars, so that much is true. Abstain until I can do more research. Fire Star 04:25, 6 Jun 2005 (UTC)
- Just to clarify, the fact that 水星 (water star) is the Japanese name for the planet Mercury is not disputed. This is easily confirmed. The question is whether it denotes any Japanese mythological figure, because without that, there is nothing to support an article here. --Tabor 18:02, 6 Jun 2005 (UTC)
Comment --- It's interesting/useful to examine ja:水星. (What? You don't read Japanese? The Google translation is suprisingly readable.) That article has a big section on Mercury in western mythology, but nothing about any Japanese messenger god. ----Isaac R 18:48, 6 Jun 2005 (UTC)
KEEP, as there is no dispute that Suisei is the name of the planet in Japanese, (and ***CHINESE**** for that matter, which is the original language from whence the name comes), and there is mythology associated with it. It just needs a rewrite. 132.205.45.148 19:29, 6 Jun 2005 (UTC)
- Fine. What's the article about? The fact that Suisei mean "Mercury"? If that's all you have, it belongs on Wiktionary. ----Isaac R 20:04, 6 Jun 2005 (UTC)
Keep - article has since been expanded. ··gracefool |☺ 03:50, 9 Jun 2005 (UTC)
Delete. Current article has nothing about Suisei as a Japanese mythological figure. ---Kusunose 03:36, 10 Jun 2005 (UTC)
- Assuming it survives, I'll merge/redirect it back to Suisei. Kappa 21:51, 10 Jun 2005 (UTC)
Keep - with four different stub catagories, one would hope it would recieve some expansion attention from a ethnic interested party once finals are over. Fabartus 05:11, 10 Jun 2005 (UTC)

This page is now preserved as an archive of the debate and, like some other VfD subpages, is no longer 'live'. Subsequent comments on the issue, the deletion, or the decision-making process should be placed on the relevant 'live' pages. Please do not edit this page.