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The obviously political abuse of the term "collapse" on this page to describe the deliberate and nefarious explosive demolition of the WTC towers is abominable. The lies published here on Wikipedia about this event are despicable, atrocious and bring the entire reputation of this project into severe and undeniable public disrepute. We have more than adequate engineering, architectural, and scientific investigations and records available to dismiss the ridiculous 'collapse propaganda' theories that have been advanced by monied parties with clearly corrupt, criminal and duplicitous motives.

The directly comparable and far more extensive recent Beijing Hotel has at least been reported and demonstrated thusly in verifiable sources:

“The fire was burning from the ground floor to the top floor of the large building, the flames reflecting in the glass facade of the main CCTV tower next to the hotel and cultural center,” reports the New York Times. [1] “The 241-room Mandarin Oriental hotel in the building was due to open this year. Flames were spotted around 7:45 p.m. and within 20 minutes the fire had spread throughout the building, dominating that part of the city.” “Hundreds of firefighting vehicles and police blocked off all approaches to the building - which was also set to house a luxury hotel due to be opened in 2009 - with flames appearing to leap 20 to 30 feet into the air,” adds The London Times. [2] Compare images of WTC 7 with those of the skyscraper fire in Beijing. reports infowars.com [3] [4] [5]

Kindly update and correct these erroneous, deceptive and misleading improper and inappropriately inaccurate entries.

No modern structural steel skyscraper has ever in the history of earth "collapsed" as the result of any fire.

Urlborg (talk) 18:11, 22 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

9/11/2004 - How anyone can accept the handling of 9/11 is beyond comprehension. Upwards of 3,000 people lost their lives. And ?the public was not warned?, according to the official 9/11 investigation and report. The horrific scope of this tragedy and has yet to be reveled. Government documents regarding this tragedy are still classified three years after the event. Leaders on most levels within the government and military abdicated their duties and responsibilities when it mattered most. Civil and military agencies were not capable of effective interagency communication. Mid-level managers were left to make life and death decisions during the peak of the crisis. $30,000,000,000.00 per year was being spent on intelligence activities during this time. The failure of the people in government during the 9/11 tragedy should go down in history as one of the most colossal failures of leadership and government mismanagement of all time. Why is this information still classified? Will anyone ever be held accountable? Three years after the event, it appears not.

Today, security against terrorist attack remains farcical. Ride any train or subway or ride down any road and look for attack opportunities by terrorists. Terrorist attack opportunities remain painfully obvious even to an untrained eye. Local governments have difficulty in receiving and sometimes cannot get appropriated funding for local terrorist security efforts in a timely manner. Three years after the 9/11 tragedy, government agencies and the military still cannot effectively communicate with one another and seem to actively resist effective change in this and other critical areas of national security.

Effective leadership would solve these and other basic, critical and urgent security problems immediately. Lack of accountability perpetuates poor performance. Unfortunately, it appears very likely that we will be attacked again and again by those who see America?s failure of leadership and willingness to politicize accountability. It seems as though we as a people just want the problem to go away. We want to lick our wounds and forget about them. We cannot. Because if we take our apparent course of inaction and fail to hold our leaders accountable, our society and our culture remain vulnerable. Three years after the event, we still have yet to identify those who are responsible within the ranks of our leadership.

Who is to blame? We are. We as a people are too apathetic to demand accountability and insist on effective change in leadership. We have become a ?cover your ass? society and today?s so called ?leaders? perpetuate, reflect and exploit our attitudes. We will reap what we sow.

I betcha this will become its own top-level entry, when this morphs into a full-blown war. An analyst on NPR Weekend Morning Edition just said "This will be, in a literal sense, World War III." --User:The Cunctator

Any chance they'll pass the Department of Peace now? (proposed earlier this year)

Any chance the U.S. media will sometime begin presenting news rather than bloodthirsty blindly patriotic bullshit? (redundant three times in four words, that's a record.) Flame me here, just remove the "nospam" bit.

The amazing thing (given the Back history) is that anyone can say "unprovoked" or "without warning".

On November, 2001, the Northern Alliance won Kabul, the capital of Afghanistan over the Taliban forcing them to flee in Kandahar.

Media here said Taliban just withdrawed from Kabul without any fight. --Taw


See also : September 11, 2001 Terrorist Attack

This news item might be of use to someone. Dunno. [1] Kingturtle 00:04 Apr 28, 2003 (UTC)



Sorry for the "Stop Propaganda" I was just vandelizing the "http://sep11.wikipedia.org" site when a link droped me here, and i vandelized it automaticly, sorry.

References

  1. ^ http://www.nytimes.com/2009/02/10/world/asia/10beijing.html?hp
  2. ^ http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/world/asia/article5694686.ece
  3. ^ www.prisonplanet.com/fire-consumes-wtc-7-size-skyscraper-building-does-not-collapse.html
  4. ^ www.prisonplanet.com/still-standing-the-building-that-proves-wtc-7-was-imploded.html
  5. ^ www.prisonplanet.com/beijing-skyscraper-fire-the-silence-is-deafening.html
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