Wikipedia:Categories for deletion/Ashlee Simpson
Category:Ashlee Simpson listed for deletion on January 28, 2005. Consensus was to delete it and all subcategories.
I know fans do anything for their favorite stars, but I don't think Wikipedia needs a category for Ashlee Simpson. The category has five articles and three subcategories including "Ashlee Simpson albums" (to date she has only one album), "Ashlee Simpson images" (most of them aren't used in articles at all) and "Ashlee Simpson songs" (will there be an article about each?) The only other artist having a category is Elvis Presley and I'm not meaning to hurt Ashlee fans but I don't think the two can be mentioned in one sentence. Alensha 00:44, 28 Jan 2005 (UTC)
- Keep. Everyking 00:51, 28 Jan 2005 (UTC)
- Keep. Articles should be categorized as well as possible. Kappa 01:31, 28 Jan 2005 (UTC)
- Keep since we've got enough articles to (barely) justify this. humblefool 02:07, 28 Jan 2005 (UTC)
- Delete, despite her obvious fan club here on Wikipedia (and I know judging by the previous VfD votes), looking at the broader picture, I still maintain Ashlee Simpson just isn't that notable enough, compared with other music artists, to justify the creation of such articles. Only thing notable (or perhaps main claim to fame) was her Milli Vanilli like performance on SNL (and even then her fans had to sanitise that article). Megan1967 03:09, 28 Jan 2005 (UTC)
- Delete, very few people have their own categories, let alone having one for a one album singer. There are far more artists who have made much more significant contributions to music than I project Ashlee could ever even think of doing. RedWolf 03:27, Jan 28, 2005 (UTC)
- It does not matter whether someone else has done more than her. What absurd logic does it take to reject information on one topic because there's another topic that's more significant? Many of these articles have survived VfD, some with significant majorities. So why should we not have them properly categorized? Everyking 03:30, 28 Jan 2005 (UTC)
- Keep As much as I hate to agree with Everyking on this, if 4 Non Blondes can have an album category when they were a minor 1 hit wonder, I see no reason Ashlee cant have an album category. As there are so many articles on Ashlee they need an all encompasing category (an Albums category is just not enough). ALKIVAR™
04:02, 28 Jan 2005 (UTC)
- Keep As much as I hate to agree with Everyking on this, if 4 Non Blondes can have an album category when they were a minor 1 hit wonder, I see no reason Ashlee cant have an album category. As there are so many articles on Ashlee they need an all encompasing category (an Albums category is just not enough). ALKIVAR™
- It does not matter whether someone else has done more than her. What absurd logic does it take to reject information on one topic because there's another topic that's more significant? Many of these articles have survived VfD, some with significant majorities. So why should we not have them properly categorized? Everyking 03:30, 28 Jan 2005 (UTC)
- Delete subcategories, keep main category, since we have so many Ashlee Simpson articles. silsor 03:53, Jan 28, 2005 (UTC)
- Agree entirely with Silsor. Mind you, it's likely Everyking will soon have written 10,000 articles on Ashlee Simpson for Wikipedia, so we may yet need all these categories (It would be wonderful if he wrote about something worth writing that much about!). Grutness|hello?
04:26, 28 Jan 2005 (UTC) - Delete. There are other good categories for these things -- song categories, artist categories, album categories -- that make more sense. Madame Sosostris 06:09, 28 Jan 2005 (UTC)
- If this category is kept, this will set a precedent and the floodgates will open. One album wonders don't deserve a category either. RedWolf 06:53, Jan 28, 2005 (UTC)
- Delete this and other categories for artists with only one or two albums. Gamaliel 07:04, 28 Jan 2005 (UTC)
- Delete. Evil Monkey → Talk 07:47, Jan 28, 2005 (UTC)
- Delete BlankVerse 08:23, 28 Jan 2005 (UTC)
- Delete agree with the reverse of Alkivar's logic, and think 4 Non Blondes should not have their own category either. Worldtraveller 13:23, 28 Jan 2005 (UTC)
- Delete - kaal 02:56, 30 Jan 2005 (UTC)
- Keep This is just another example of the category system becoming more detailed over time. Philip 13:08, 31 Jan 2005 (UTC)
- Delete. Merge all of the fancruft back into one manageable article. RickK 07:12, Feb 1, 2005 (UTC)
- Delete subcategories or just delete, 1 album, 15 images, 3 songs, and 5 articles. 1 album does not justify a category. 3 songs does not justify a category. For 5 articles & 15 images (most are wallpaper-ish), one category for her should suffice. 07:39, 1 Feb 2005 (UTC)
- Keep I would support deleting the subcats, though. Tuf-Kat 22:30, Feb 1, 2005 (UTC)
- Delete. Gamaliel 22:46, 1 Feb 2005 (UTC)
- I think it would create a dangerous precedent if every band and artist had their own category, which would then be a subcategory of every applicable subcategorization of the Music category. For instance, the Ashlee Simpson category is a subcategory of Category:1984 births, Category:American actors, Category:American singers, Category:Female singers, Category:Pop singers, and Category:Rock singers. It's absurd. Now imagine that multiplied for every somewhat popular music group or singer with all of the categories they'd be listed under. It's a mess to look at the Category page for Category:American actors to use just one example. Listed in it are 100s of articles across several pages. On the first page alone is the sole subcategory African-American actors, which makes sense in the category hierarchy. But to scroll several pages and see Ashlee Simpson as a subcategory, as well as an article in the category, is a bit of a surprise, and it doesn't make much sense. Ultimately, every article (or every popular article) would be both a subcategory and an article, and it tends to get messy. We need to set an example of how we want Wikipedia to work. I don't think it should work this way. A simpler scheme would be to have the main article Ashlee Simpson placed in the appropriate categories (as it is now) and have all Ashlee Simpson-related articles appear as links from the main article instead of as members of a separate Ashlee Simpson category. An alternative would be to have the Ashlee Simpson-related articles members of an Ashlee Simpson category, but this category would be a part of a different supercategory (i.e. "Bands/Singers with their own categories") instead of being part of so many different categories as the Ashlee Simpson category is now. Any ideas? —Brim 23:09, Feb 1, 2005 (UTC)
- I vote Delete for Category:Ashlee Simpson, Category:Ashlee Simpson albums, and Category:Ashlee Simpson images, but I vote keep for Category:Ashlee Simpson songs. WJ 02:17, 7 Feb 2005 (UTC)
This was deleted once on February 4. Why has it been recreated and is still subject to voting? The voting period has ended. RickK 07:50, Feb 9, 2005 (UTC)
- I believe that is User:RedWolf's fault. Apparently, RedWolf might have been tired or distracted. After RedWolf began the initial deletions, RedWolf only managed to delete one of the subcategories, but forgot about the other subcategories and the main category. Also, after beginning the process of the deletions RedWolf forgot to move this in the resolved section and let this continue to accumulate votes past the voting period.
- If you are going to make a personal attack (which is bad form in the first place), you should at least have the integrity of signing your post. Yes, I had begun with deleting the albums category but it was immediately re-created less than a day later by a new user (perhaps a sock puppet). I re-tagged everything with cfd as the subcats were not tagged. So, technically speaking, 7 more days were required for the subcats although the discussion on the albums talk page has prior discussion of it surviving a previous deletion vote. One album does not a category make. A minimum of three existing commercially released albums should be required before a category is granted, but I digress. RedWolf 03:41, Feb 12, 2005 (UTC)
- First, it was the songs subcategory you deleted not the albums. Second, why didn't you answer User:RickK's THREE inquiries about the subcategory, one of them can be found here: Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard/Incidents Third, if the subcats needed 7 more days why didn't you undelete the songs subcategory or at least helped User:RickK delete the other subcats? It made it look like Everyking influenced the vote somehow and let only the songs subcat get deleted, while everything else survived. Fourth, why didn't you answer RickK's above question earlier or did you just see it and pretend to ignore it?
- That's real sad. You shouldn't resort to a personal attack to get an answer, especially when you don't even sign your posts. Next time, you should just ask on their talk page instead. tsk, tsk, tsk. GrazingCow 04:27, 12 Feb 2005 (UTC)
- First, it was the songs subcategory you deleted not the albums. Second, why didn't you answer User:RickK's THREE inquiries about the subcategory, one of them can be found here: Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard/Incidents Third, if the subcats needed 7 more days why didn't you undelete the songs subcategory or at least helped User:RickK delete the other subcats? It made it look like Everyking influenced the vote somehow and let only the songs subcat get deleted, while everything else survived. Fourth, why didn't you answer RickK's above question earlier or did you just see it and pretend to ignore it?
- If you are going to make a personal attack (which is bad form in the first place), you should at least have the integrity of signing your post. Yes, I had begun with deleting the albums category but it was immediately re-created less than a day later by a new user (perhaps a sock puppet). I re-tagged everything with cfd as the subcats were not tagged. So, technically speaking, 7 more days were required for the subcats although the discussion on the albums talk page has prior discussion of it surviving a previous deletion vote. One album does not a category make. A minimum of three existing commercially released albums should be required before a category is granted, but I digress. RedWolf 03:41, Feb 12, 2005 (UTC)
Also, why was only one of the subcategories deleted? All the subcategories including the main category were all suppose to be deleted.