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Ancestry

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Hello I have an idea to add his ancestry by using these sources with shorting it up to 4 generations except Malcolm II of Scotland:

Sources:

  • Bernard Burke, Ashworth P. Burke. A Genealogical and Heraldic History of the Peerage and Baronetage, the Privy Council, Knightage, and Companionage. 1934
  • Oram, Richard; David: The King Who Made Scotland, (Gloucestershire, 2004).
  • Frederick Lewis Weis, Walter Lee Sheppard, William Ryland Beall, Kaleen E. Beall. Roots of Certain American Colonists who Came to America Before 1700: Lineages from Alfred the Great, Charlemagne, Malcolm of Scotland, Robert the Strong, and Other Historical Individuals 2008. ISBN 0806317523, ISBN 9780806317526

Additional source:

References

  1. ^ a b c d e f g h i j A Genealogical and Heraldic History of the Peerage and Baronetage, the Privy Council, Knightage, and Companionage, pp 47–48
  2. ^ a b c d e f g h i j Oram, David, p. 10 Cite error: The named reference "<2" was defined multiple times with different content (see the help page).
  3. ^ a b c F. Weis, W. Sheppard, W. Beall, K. Beall, Ancestral Roots of Certain American Colonists who Came to America Before 1700, pp 2, 161–162 Cite error: The named reference "<4" was defined multiple times with different content (see the help page).
  4. ^ a b c d Foundation of medieval genealogy: Scotland, kings and England, anglo-saxon and danish Kings
  5. ^ a b c d e f g F. Weis, W. Sheppard, W. Beall, K. Beall, Ancestral Roots of Certain American Colonists who Came to America Before 1700, pp 161–162 Cite error: The named reference "<5" was defined multiple times with different content (see the help page).
  6. ^ a b c d e f F. Weis, W. Sheppard, W. Beall, K. Beall, Ancestral Roots of Certain American Colonists who Came to America Before 1700, p. 2 Cite error: The named reference "<6" was defined multiple times with different content (see the help page).

Dmitry Azikov (talk) 09:30, 1 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

What other wikipedia's do is not relevant to what the rules are here on English wikipedia. In general, we are not a genealogical source - we should not aim to present genealogical information. See WP:NOTGENEALOGY. And unsourced information is also not acceptable - please do not introduce unsourced information. And you shouldn't combine unrelated sources to produce family trees - if the sources for a subject's life do not give a four or five generation ancestral tree, then per WP:UNDUE and WP:OR, we should not combine unrelated sources to produce information that sources about a subject do not consider important about that subject. FOr David - we should report what the high quality sources provide about his ancestry The sources provided are not sources ABOUT David, they are genealogical reference books. That leaves aside the issue of using outdated sources like Burke's A Genealogical and Heraldic History of the Peerage and Baronetage, the Privy Council, Knightage, and Companionage or strictly genealogical sources like Weis (also - which edition of Weis is being referenced - there are 8 of them, after all.) Ealdgyth (talk) 12:54, 1 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Just to note, duplicate citations should be merged. See Wikipedia:Citing sources#Duplicate citations. One way to do this is by using named citations, such as the method described at Help:Footnotes#Footnotes: using a source more than once and Wikipedia:Citing sources#Repeated citations. Celia Homeford (talk) 14:14, 1 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Thank you very much! I just didn't know earlier how to do it! But I used a bit differently variant, check me.😊 Dmitry Azikov (talk) 16:32, 1 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Thank you for amending the repeated citations. You have done that correctly, but that does not address the other points here in that some of the entries are not cited to Oram, and all those that are cited to Oram are already shown in the other family tree. Celia Homeford (talk) 12:58, 2 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Thank you very much again, so I understood that ancestries shouldn't be repeated after other family trees and continue to get more experience in article editing.😊 So I think it was good to add his ancestors in tab up to king Malcolm II Dmitry Azikov (talk) 13:35, 2 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
The recent edits have made it worse again. It's excessive, cited to unreliable sources and sources are unnecessarily repeated. Celia Homeford (talk) 09:27, 30 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I thought sources should be repeated in every ancestor as I saw in several places or they could be used just once in the beginning of chart? Here in approved ancestors of Edward the black prince, son of Edward III of England and ancestries of his other children I saw repetition of references in many times: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Edward_the_Black_Prince#Ancestry Dmitry Azikov (talk) 18:44, 1 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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