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On 2 October 2023, it was proposed that this article be moved to Channel 4 (British TV channel). The result of the discussion was not moved.

Channel 4 chief: Tories tried to sway annual report to fit privatisation policy

new info on privatisation attempt

https://www.theguardian.com/media/2022/jul/12/channel-4-tories-annual-report-privatisation-dcms-alex-mahon

John Cummings (talk) 15:45, 12 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Left-wing bias of this channel failed to mention in the article

should be included, they tried to frame the Brexit election of 2019 into a climate election, looking at their debates back then. Pretty obvious a left-wing channel. 62.226.84.78 (talk) 23:30, 17 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

I wondered why there was no mention of its political leaning. Obviously it should be mentioned, using such evidence as exists. Instead, the first half of this write-up gives vague hints that it's left-wing because of aiming at minority and diversity audiences and at "creativity". Later parts hint at right-wing bias because of a couple programs denying global warming. The reader has to guess. 173.73.194.206 (talk) 20:39, 17 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Requested move 2 October 2023

The following is a closed discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review after discussing it on the closer's talk page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

The result of the move request was: not moved. There is a clear consensus that the British channel is the primary topic. (closed by non-admin page mover) — Material Works 21:36, 9 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Channel 4 → Channel 4 (British TV channel) – The only difference between this and Channel 5 (British TV channel) is that this channel never was branded with the word and that C5 was branded with the word during Wikipedia's developing era. Georgia guy (talk) 17:33, 2 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Comment: The difference is that this article is considered to be the primary topic for "Channel 4", whereas the British Channel 5 is not. Are you also proposing to move Channel 4 (disambiguation) to Channel 4? Rreagan007 (talk) 19:45, 2 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]
User:Rreagan007; yes, but I generally propose RM's on the talk page of the first page that needs to be moved. The reason for this primary topic inconsistency is simply because of the inconsistent brand histories. In the era Wikipedia developed, C5's brand was simply "Five", without the word "channel". No similar period existed with C4. Georgia guy (talk) 23:56, 2 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]

You should be doing a multiple-page requested move then. Rreagan007 (talk) 00:02, 3 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]

It's completely irrelevant here whether and why one article is a primary topic and different one isn't. The only relevant question here is whether the British Channel 4 is the primary topic out of all articles that could be located at this title. Based on the disambiguation page, those are below.

Article	Page views this year	N/40 Google results	N/50 DDG results
Channel 4 (British TV channel) (i.e. this article)	837,000	26	35
Channel 4 (Australian TV channel)	554	0	0
Channel 4 (VoD service)	31,000	1	11
Channel 4 (Fear the Walking Dead)	3,000	0	0

Notes:

Page views have been rounded to the nearest 1000, those for this article will include people seeking a different entry on the disambiguation page, the disambiguation page received 2,800 views in the same time period.
Search results count the number of hits in the top 40 (Google) or 50 (DuckDuckGo) results for "Channel 4" -wikipedia were related to the relevant article. This search was performed using Tor browser to eliminate issues from my search history, the exit node was reported to be in Brooklyn.

Based on the above, strong oppose as the British channel is very clearly the primary topic. Thryduulf (talk) 08:55, 3 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose. Very clear primary topic per above and long-term significance. -- Necrothesp (talk) 12:23, 3 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Support – "Channel 4" (or "Channel <insert number>" in general) is a pretty common name for local stations in the United States. For instance, when I search "Channel 4" online, the first twenty or so results include four U.S. TV stations (KDFW, KFOR, WCMH, WDAF). While the British channel is the most popular result, I think there's enough potential for other hits that the disambiguation page should take priority here. RunningTiger123 (talk) 17:30, 6 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]
- Just to confirm the hits, I tried the search again using DuckDuckGo instead of Google and got hits for eight stations in the first twenty links (KDFW, WDIV, WFOR, WIVB, WNBC, WRC, WSMV, WTMJ). RunningTiger123 (talk) 17:38, 6 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  - A national channel (which was once one of only four, hence its name) versus some local channels. It's very clear which is most notable by a very long way. -- Necrothesp (talk) 13:53, 9 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose In long-term significance, the British Channel 4 outweighs any of dozens of U.S. stations in its size and scope, and I can comfortably say this as someone who writes U.S. station pages by the bucket. It is also the obvious primary topic on pageviews and indeed the 10th-highest-viewed in August in all of WP:TVS with 90,470 pageviews. Sammi Brie (she/her • t • c) 06:56, 8 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]

OPPOSE: For all the reasons previously given. Far more notable. - X201 (talk) 15:05, 9 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose. There seems no reason to question the primary topic status of Channel 4 (British TV channel) for the title Channel 4. The primry status bar is set high, but this article seems to meet it. Nothing has changed in this regard. Andrewa (talk) 20:49, 9 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]

The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.