Talk:Face the Heat

Alien Nation and German re-unification

I doubt that the song is about the German re-unification which has already been the motivation of the 1990 song Wind Of Change. Rather, I would guess that Alien Nation is about the 1992 Los Angeles riots, since it is of an extremely aggressive style and the chorus contains "In the city of angels, death is just a moment away". If it is really about the German history, than more likely about the right-wing violence in the former German Democratic Republic the years after the re-unification.--SiriusB (talk) 17:09, 29 February 2012 (UTC)[reply]

As a German I have to agree. The Neo-Nazi violence was awful, but not as organized or widespread to call it an "Alien Nation". The lyrics also don't match to call the former German Democratic Republic the "Alien Nation". By the way: Wind Of Change was not about the German re-unification, but about the changes in Russia (wich in part led to the German re-unification). 194.127.219.245 (talk) 15:02, 2 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]

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Re: SiriusB's post

I would like to state my agreement with SiriusB regarding the significance of "Alien Nation"'s lyrics. I would also like to add that the band has previously stated that the song "Unholy Alliance" is about right-wing violence in Germany. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Rattlesnake269 (talk • contribs) 22:05, 10 January 2017 (UTC)[reply]

'Under the Same Sun' songwriting credits

This is with regards to the songwriting credits for the track 'Under the Same Sun'. Currently the article lists Bruce Fairbairn, the album's producer, as the cowriter. However, both the United States Copyright Office and the credits for 'On Deadly Ground' list Scott Fairbairn (one of his sons, as verified here) as the song's cowriter, and similarly, the song's single release lists the writer in question as 'S. Fairbairn' (the links won't work for some reason, but you can easily find images of the disc on Discogs and 45worlds).

Allmusic, which does list Bruce Fairbairn as the cowriter, is not a reliable source for songwriting credits as it frequently gets them wrong on various releases, as it has done with this song. Here are just a handful of other examples of incorrect songwriters listed on Allmusic:

· Jeff Lynne and Dan Hartman are listed as the writers of Electric Light Orchestra Part II's 'Easy Street' despite neither working together or having any involvement with the group. From the same album, it also lists Mik Kaminski as cowriter of 'Once upon a Time' when in fact he didn't have a hand in writing any song on the album - his sole contribution was a violin solo on the following track.

· Steve Miller and two members of his band are listed as cowriters The Monkees' 'Midnight Train' even though it's well documented that the song was solely written by Micky Dolenz and neither group ever worked with each other. The Steve Miller Band did write and record another song called 'Midnight Train', but it's a totally different song from twenty years later - Allmusic confused both tracks together and as a result both groups of songwriters got mistakingly lumped together when they shouldn't have. From the same album, it also lists Robert Stone as one of the cowriters of 'You're So Good to Me' when he had no involvement with the song, simply because he was the writer of a similarly-titled but otherwise-unrelated Monkees song 'You're So Good' - again, Allmusic confused both tracks together and lumped all the songwriters together.

· Rob Young is listed as writer of Status Quo's 'Gentleman Joe's Sidewalk Café' when the actual writer is Kenny Young.

· John Anthony is listed as cowriter of The Yellow Balloon's 'Can't Get Enough of Your Love' when the actual cowriter is Marlene Anthony.

· Darrel Morrow is listed as writer of Sagittarius' version of 'Sister Marie' when the actual writer is David Morrow (who is actually listed correctly for Harry Nilsson's version of the song).

· There are too many to list, but there are lots of times I have seen only one writer entered for a song that was actually written by multiple people, including on some of the above albums. In fact, this seems to be a more common occurrence.

As you can see, Allmusic is unreliable when it comes to songwriting credits so it shouldn't be used as a reference for obtaining them in general (like I said, these are just a handful of many examples where Allmusic's songwriting credits are verifiably wrong). The sources I highlighted - the copyright registration and the single - are legitimate, official sources. The article should be changed so it lists Scott Fairbairn as the cowriter of 'Under the Same Sun' instead of Bruce Fairbairn. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 82.43.44.13 (talk) 23:33, 10 June 2017 (UTC)[reply]